Cobblers Comments
JUNE 2002
Never!! at 23:24:42 Sunday June 30 2002
A6 Village boy, you dont get it do you? the reason we feel like shit over the arrival of GDS is because we love our club and dont want to see it dragged through the crap, but nothing will stop us loving it and devoting our love elsewhere. Most of us will still go, some will not and lose interest like we did in the 80's, but changing our alegiance to Rubbish and Dustbins? Never, most of us will simply watch on in horror and pray for it all to go wrong quickly so we can save the club whilst there is something left to save, as to Stonhill and co, I would just like to say the following, thanks for nothing, thanks for selling us out to save your own pockets, and when the truth outs don't expect to be forgivven, or to peddle your wares around the town, slide off into a corner, better still you go and watch R&D after all money talks there as well.
A6 Village boy. at 22:59:18 Sunday June 30 2002
If you are unhappy with GDS, and the set up at Sixfields, then why not come along and support the good honest club down the A6?
This is a great site! at 20:55:30 Sunday June 30 2002
Hi, I'm an American arriving here by accident. Let me get this straight. Stonhill is one of the guys who helped save the Cobblers? (Cute name that!) The Trust guys helped by raising a few dollars as well? The Trust are still good guys, but Stonhill's real motives were to one day sell the club down the river to the Fascist friend of an ex-Communist dictator? Right? The John F Kennedy thing is nothing compared to this. Why didn't he just let the club die in the first place? They are no good and not many people would have missed them it seems. If you do survive, however, Go Cobblers!
Eternal Optimist at 20:44:42 Sunday June 30 2002
Let's judge the man by the amount of money he gives Kevan an dby his future actions. Frankly, I think most people who take over football clubs are dodgy in one way or another.
The real original SPIN at 20:37:12 Sunday June 30 2002
Shut up real SPIN.
The Real SPIN at 20:31:58 Sunday June 30 2002
Thanks for that, Gareth.
SPIN at 20:21:59 Sunday June 30 2002
I know it can happen because I got my wires crossed once and I began to spin in the opposite direction.
SPIN at 20:14:22 Sunday June 30 2002
I think you got your wires crossed Realist. I wasn't responding to your comments.
Wembley Cobbler at 20:11:2 Sunday June 30 2002
I am a regular supporter of the Cobblers at Wembley but I wont go again with this man in charge. Even if its the cup final.
Realist at 20:8:7 Sunday June 30 2002
Spin - what planet are you on? All I wrote was that with the deal reported as done we have to live with GDS. I didn't say I was for or against his take over.
SPIN at 20:3:25 Sunday June 30 2002
Done deal it may be but if you think that opinion will suddenly swerve to 100% backing for di Stefano think again.
Mr Malcolm Kingston at 19:54:44 Sunday June 30 2002
I am Mr Malcolm Kingston, but I'm not that one. I live in Abington. Leave me alone and stop throwing stones at my house and children.
Take it from me at 19:52:29 Sunday June 30 2002
Mother Terasa is a no go. She hasn't got a pot to piss in. Believe me. Anyway, I dont think she even made a bid.
Anon at 19:22:16 Sunday June 30 2002
If you dont know the facts about Stonhill,,and have no proof of what what you say then it's you thats living in cloud cuckoo land nosey.
Oldie at 19:20:17 Sunday June 30 2002
I used to like the old CG and crowds of 2,387. I used to like the pee going through your lace holes in the bog behind the Hotel End. If this Eytie bloke brings back bad toilets I'm all for him.
How many at 19:7:39 Sunday June 30 2002
Brentford supporters have raised £250 000 for the club for next season. How many Trusts do they have?
Nosey Parker at 19:1:54 Sunday June 30 2002
"Anyone who thinks Stonhill has not milked the club for every penny he could must be living in cuckoo land?" When I posted this I didn't mean to put a question mark at the end as it is a stupid statement and not a question. And when I said "Stick Stonhill/Swallow up your arse" I said YOUR arse. Now someone has stuck them in mine and - well, I quite like it.
Sell on claws at 18:53:15 Sunday June 30 2002
I've heard that Stonhill and his cronies are getting £5 million each and are on 20% of any profit made at the next sale of the club.
Realist at 18:46:21 Sunday June 30 2002
The debate is over. It is a done deal and we have to move on from here with the club under new ownership. It may be controversial and that is what the Trust is all about - to keep a close on on things and report back to ots membership.
Think of at 18:42:24 Sunday June 30 2002
Think of all those lucky sods out there without the internet. They wouldn't have to put up with all the negative rubbish on this site.
Geography at 18:35:29 Sunday June 30 2002
I hated History at school. 100 years of crap. Is it worth saving?
NTFC@2view at 18:23:36 Sunday June 30 2002
"Lefty owned..." Yeah? Thought it was New Labour.
NTFC@2view at 18:12:44 Sunday June 30 2002
"This is what we know of Mr Kingston." Has he just put in a late bid?
Deal at 18:0:22 Sunday June 30 2002
Gareth at 16:49:49: What excactly do you mean by deal with him? Drugs? Dodgy land deals? Wash some cash? or simply sell a football club at cut price, directors take all, no questions asked?
Sean from London at 17:59:37 Sunday June 30 2002
Good to see Del Asamoah's bother coming on as sub for Germany in the World Cup Final
BIG JIM at 17:55:56 Sunday June 30 2002
B J M if you are trying to e mail me try this one please
Ted at 17:1:49 Sunday June 30 2002
Mind you ,you have to laugh at the irony of it all.Lefty council owned Stadium. Principal tenant far right politician.
Anon at 16:49:49 Sunday June 30 2002
For all those who wish to deal directly with GDS. pnazionale@tiscalinet.it
STALKA at 16:18:13 Sunday June 30 2002
I understand your concern,and I`m sure that there`s not one of us who are a 100% sure that any major decision is going to suceed or fail,but regarding the Takeover if the GDS bid was refused ,and further down the line the club were to drop down into the Conference,or worse still go into liquidation.Would there not be many more fans saying that they should have accepted GDS` bid when they had it?
History at 15:48:36 Sunday June 30 2002
STALKA, they are not just doing some cosy business deal they are selling over 100 years of history down the drain, no other business has so many interested parties involved and your "they know best" and "lets doff our caps to our superiors" attitude is sickening
STALKA at 15:22:5 Sunday June 30 2002
You are so right in what you say 6FIELDS STRANGLER.There are many short sighted people on this site,as well as being totally unqualified to question major decisions made by those directly involved in the business side of NTFC.Having been moderately successful in my own business dealings I feel qualified to say that there are many factors that have to be looked at, before making any major decision,and I know that many of these factors must remain confidential.Therefore who has a right to question contracts , buying and selling etc without knowing all of the facts?
Introducing Mr Malcolm Kingston at 15:6:12 Sunday June 30 2002
Sandhurst Assets. Sec Mr G Di Stefano Directors Rev Richard Page and one Malcolm Kingston. Company dissolved owing a fortune. This is what we know of Mr Kingston LOS ANGELES, May 3 -- The U.S. Department of Justice said today that a 21-count indictment unsealed here April 30 charged Malcolm Kingston, Juri Ripinsky and Ashok Advani with conspiracy, bank fraud, wire fraud and money laundering. Nice to see the club doing their homework, due dilligence/best interests my arse
Anon at 15:1:50 Sunday June 30 2002
Anon at 14.30 &1435.Are you really that stupid.Chris hargreaves was offered his new contract before GDS became the main contender for major shareholder,and we will have to see whether he sees fit to increase the offer that ws made before.I think you will find there are better players than Hargreaves, Hunter and Hunter available with the collapse of ITV Digital ,and they may well come at a cheaper price.
STALKA at 14:51:35 Sunday June 30 2002
Footnote, I wasn`t comparing Mr Barwell with GDS on a personal level ,I was merely pointing out that there are some who whatever the reason (politically or otherwise) do not like the idea of one person in control.What I will say however ,is that with the deal now done and dusted what do the anti GDS people intend to do now .Do they intend to moan and grumble through the season waiting for failure for them to be justified,or now get behind the club and look forward to hopefully a successful season. I for one support Northampton Town Football club not the man who owns it.
6FIELDS STRANGLER at 14:50:43 Sunday June 30 2002
There are some short sighted morons on this site, there really is. Get behind this GDS take over now, or N.T.F.C. WILL GO TO THE WALL...
Anon at 14:35:23 Sunday June 30 2002
Then again he could be the liquidator in disguise.
Anon at 14:30:22 Sunday June 30 2002
GDS must be the first owner of a football club who doesn't want to come to any matches, thats weird, als if this guy has buckets full of cash, how come Hargreaves must accept a cut in wages? am I missing something here?
A6 village boy, and proud of it at 14:16:27 Sunday June 30 2002
It's alright for you lot to slag Stonhill off because he is selling out to GDS, but where was your loyalty to him when things we not so good with the past managers.? I say good luck to Stonhill, why should he be worried about anyone of you ,or the club, after the way he has been treated in the past.
Footnote at 11:59:10 Sunday June 30 2002
Stalka comparing Barwell to GDS is like comparing Mother Terasa to Adolf Hitler!! I hope you will sign off now, and as I am one of those who has changed my mind big time I think your analysis may be clouded by the wish not to be proven wrong. The only views I hear are its too late, its done and dusted and we have stiched up like a kipper. I am afraid I cannot respect your view which is too Wilsherite for my liking. Come on Brazil !!
STALKA at 11:33:24 Sunday June 30 2002
With respect. I speak to many fans and not one has changed their minds on their view of the Takeover.There are some who are still strongly against GDS and will no doubt remain so,but by far the majoity now just want to get on with supporting their team and directing their energy in a positive manner.As a footnote to this debate,I remember a colleague of mine attending an open meeting at the Saints a few years ago where many supporters were against a certain Mr Barwell taking over their club,because they believed it would destroy the fundamental roots of the club.I think that it has proved that it is essential that outside investment by one man or a group is vital to the progression and indeed the survival of a sporting club, yet some people for political and personal reasons just don`t like this.
B.J.M at 11:26:8 Sunday June 30 2002
...hence other offers not being acceptable. I know for a fact that this is why the Italian consortium offer was not acceptable to the board. Oh dear, I just used that word that NTFC@2view doesn't like!
B.J.M at 11:24:53 Sunday June 30 2002
I doubt it. If they are getting their loans repaid, I'm sure the directors would insist that most of it was done up front.
Credit wher its not due at 11:16:10 Sunday June 30 2002
BJM, unfortunatly the first people that seem willing to give him credit are the board of directors and some of our fans romanced by his promises. Greed will lead to all sorts of people being willing to allow him to run up debt's
B.J.M at 11:15:5 Sunday June 30 2002
Yes it is time to look forward, but believe me the past will keep getting dragged up. It is unavoidable with this man's history. At the slightest hint of trouble everyone will start getting twitchy, including the staunchest supporters of GdS.
B.J.M at 11:12:41 Sunday June 30 2002
Without wishing to appear anti-Stonhill just for the sake of it, I wonder what he meant when he was talking about GdS fulfilling certain criteria that they asked him to meet. Did that include proof of funds, and if so was it just proof of funds to pay off directors loans or a minimum amount to "take the club forward"?
Anon at 11:12:14 Sunday June 30 2002
Stalka .As much as I agree with you,I think we are covering old ground,and I think its time to stop looking back.Whatever is going to happen, will happen .For sure it will be an interesting ride,and only time will tell who was right and who was wrong.
Seems they judged it right! at 11:10:35 Sunday June 30 2002
STALKA, The trust exec's crime seems to be that they looked beyond the stores door whilst most fans were too busy looking in the Toy Shop window, marvelling at all the goodies on offer.Its clear that since the heady night of that trust open forum that the tide has turned and fans having looked at the whole picture are just as concerned. The official site is a joke and if Sid follows suit then CC will be the only place to express an opinion. Some of us in the future may just have to swallow large slices of humble pie over this and banging on about the the exec's view is irrelevant
B.J.M at 11:10:14 Sunday June 30 2002
I don't think anyone really knows how much cash GdS has. His whole history is so clouded, how could anyone make a reasonable estimate?
B.J.M at 11:8:24 Sunday June 30 2002
You have a good point there "just a thought". Although I don't really see him being able to run up debts on credit, I mean who is going to give him credit terms with his reputation?
Just a thought at 11:6:25 Sunday June 30 2002
'Time will tell', tell what? That we are buggered, shafted and this time down for the count? Surely we need to be convinced that GDS is the right bid. Otherwise KC you'll be watching the Poppies!!
B.J.M at 11:5:28 Sunday June 30 2002
If that is true that they have been deleting anything which is anti-GDS, frankly it is pathetic and you have to question their suitability to moderate a message board. At least here everyone gets to have their say, even if I personally don't agree some of it.
just a thought at 11:1:7 Sunday June 30 2002
G113 West Stand, Yes GDS has Cash, wheelbarrows full of it, but when his last U.K company Sandhurst Assetts PLC went to the wall with none other than the Rev Page on the board, did he pay back the £800,000 it owed in debts? No he simply dissolved the company. Now we have 2 Students and the Rev Page to run up enough debts to make even Dick Underwood blush, any quesses for what will happen when the boys get bored of playing Championship Manager and unpaid creditors are screaming for their money? GDS has no interest in football, he has dissolved one company recently why not another? looks like we will have to join Wimbledon and set up as AFC Northampton playing on the Racecourse in the UCL
and another one said .... at 10:59:19 Sunday June 30 2002
I've just found a site which describes GDS as a 'Maestro di Orror e Fantasia' - hold tight
STALKA at 10:58:56 Sunday June 30 2002
As interesting as it is ,and indeed healthy to have a for and against on any subject.I find it fascinating that the anti GDS campaigners are grumbling about the censoring and bias stance taken up by certain Sites and message boards,when inthe first instance it was nine other than the Trust executive that took it upon themselves to declare an anti GDS view before consulting its members.An unforgivable error of judgment ,and one which I believe has severely damaged their reputation,and the democratic voice which it is supposed to support.I am a Trust member ,and have spoken to others who feel exactly the same.
And of course...... at 10:40:31 Sunday June 30 2002
..............Jetsam :-)
Pedant at 10:36:23 Sunday June 30 2002
It's spelt FLOTSAM...........
The Ghost of CC past at 10:7:1 Sunday June 30 2002
Ray - when are you going to close down the mutual appreciation and arse gazing society known as CC2? The contributions on there are dwindling (six in the last week). There are some very literate and intelligent contributors who posted regularly on here at one time but became disillusioned with the schoolboy mentality of the illiterate few. If they had no alternative outlet, maybe they would return and some sensible debate could be found amongst the flotsam and jetsom of this once great site. Lead by example and enjoy the banter guys.
G 113 West stand at 9:56:57 Sunday June 30 2002
Mr Di Steffano is a very rich man, now for all you winers from the north stand that means he has cash. Now a simple fact for all Cash = Sucsess, take any club with mooney like say reading or stoke or wigan who all challanged for pormotoin or play offs sure wigan failed but they have the money to sucseed and now that gds own 60% of the club or what ever it is we will have cash. i bothered to look up mr di steffano on the internet and foud that he is payed fuck loads of money and has 1000's of millions on pounds = good if you take struggling div 2 club ie Us and add cash you get promotoin or a cup like ldvs vans . okay and he wion't sell up he would make a loss
Claret Man at 9:47:59 Sunday June 30 2002
I agree with GDS i don;t care if he doesn;t come to matches, he doesn't understand the game so why should he pretend to like it
KC at 2:11:9 Sunday June 30 2002
I dont see the problem with GDS bid you know..why can't we juist wait and see what happens rather than jump to claim it to be dodgy straight away."time will tell" whoever said that is 100% correct.
Sid the Censor2 at 0:2:21 Sunday June 30 2002
While your at it Sid, when are you going to publish the rsults of your Di Stefano yes or No poll? GDS was clearly losing and yet unlike every other poll you have decided not to publish the result? Seems like someone at the club has got to you big time.
a passer by at 23:58:25 Saturday June 29 2002
Well said Without a Paddle. Stonhill is proved to be lying about the Barry bid and is definitely not acting in the interest of the long term future of the club. And for all those who are saying he 'saved' the club for your information the main person to thank is Barry Ward and all those creditors who were persuaded to take peanuts instead of what they were owed. The present directors have all had their moneysworth in privileged access to games taken their cronies to Wembley etc.,and are still going to have their priveleges as directors. Time will tell whether GDS is the right person, unfortunately though by then it will be too late for all of us.
Sid the Censor at 23:38:38 Saturday June 29 2002
what agreat pity it is that now even sid sidwell has joined the band of we know "whats good for you" brigade he has now deleted anti gds material on the basis that its not about football? meanwhile the right wing idiots continue to post on his sight boasting of punch ups with asians on the wellingborough rd and allowing crap about how many Kosovans have been beat up and lets others discuss their drinking feats and plans. Sid 1) GDS is taking over our club and that means it is football business and 2) I have posted this here because it is now the only uncensored message board which allows both sides of the story to be heard, come on mate dont be intimidated by mr GDS stand up for the fans, or is ntfcunofficial now just a sop for the official site?
without a paddle at 23:27:13 Saturday June 29 2002
Stonhill said at the trust meeting that there was no other bid. He said he had heard that someone had been in contact with the trust claiming a bid was made in March but this was not true. He said it in front of 200 people. And then what the Chron confirms yesterday that low and behold there was another bid. Stonhill says it was no good, but having lied and said it didn't excist, i'm inclined not to believe him, he said at the trust meeting he would not make a penny profit, maybe so but GDS will pay him back all his loans and this other guy Barry would not, is that what he means by best interests of the club? We have been sold a pup and supporters are only starting to realise it when its too late. well if he's got any balls he could always prove us wrong by not selling out to GDS, instead of selling us down the river.
Anon at 23:9:35 Saturday June 29 2002
Is it right thatGDS will take over the club but wont come to any matches
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Charlie Farley at 22:6:54 Saturday June 29 2002
I know several Estate Agents who have gone bust MATE! You come across as a little bitter NP, do you want to tell us all about it?
Windeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee at 22:4:47 Saturday June 29 2002
Truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump!
Nosey Parker at 21:57:16 Saturday June 29 2002
A skint Estate Agent?...........no such thing mate. We are looking at the biggest mstake in the clubs history (besides signing Gabbiadini)
Dreamer at 21:56:31 Saturday June 29 2002
Forrester for Goater? You heard it wrong mate, Keegan offered Goater for Forest!
Charlie Farley at 21:47:58 Saturday June 29 2002
If Stonhill HAS milked the Club for all it's worth that might explain why he's so skint! You really are a daft bugger NP, as well as a rumourmonger!
NTFC@2view at 16:45:4 Saturday June 29 2002
If there's as much room in your arse as there is between your ears, they'd fit.
Nosey Parker at 16:28:47 Saturday June 29 2002
Anyone who thinks Stonhill has not milked the club for every penny he could must be living in cuckoo land? Stick Stonhill/Swallow up your arse
B.J.M at 15:49:15 Saturday June 29 2002
I was not leading him on. I told him about certain things going on inside the club. I also said that I would let him know first about any takeover if I became aware of it. But I am not in a position anymore to obtain that kind of information. I do have some interesting things about the past though.
NTFC@2view at 13:16:56 Saturday June 29 2002
I think I will continue to be sarcastic and try to degrade any unsubstantiated and unfair views posted. Things such as denigrating Stonhill for getting some of his OWN money back, or people who repeat postings and add FACT that haven't given a fact. I will also have a go at anons and people that use or abuse my posting name as they haven't any views they want to put forward as 'themselves'. I would love to have reasoned debate on here, but all too often it is puerile nonsense. I wouldn't 'have a go' at ACV over a reasoned post, nor you who has posted before. (Even if it was about knowing 'something' secret and leading poor old BJ on!)
B.J.M at 12:46:28 Saturday June 29 2002
thanks for some points well made A.C.V. I guess if NTFC@2view dropped the sarcasm and stopped trying to degrade other people's views then he would be receive better replies in return.
NTFC@2view at 12:45:50 Saturday June 29 2002
Ah Sean, a boycott after my own heart. This will cost me nothing, because even if they coughed up straight away I wouldn't watch their cráp for twice as much as they owe!
Sean from London at 12:41:25 Saturday June 29 2002
Boycott ITV for the World Cup Final - see www.the-ffu.com/itv for more details
A Childs View at 11:7:22 Saturday June 29 2002
Ray - can you do anything with this box? Maybe its just me, but I can't use it properly!
A Childs View at 11:4:49 Saturday June 29 2002
Looking forward to the Crewe game, a tough one to start with but at home at least. Lets hope a better start to the campaign than the 3-0 reverse to City - I got a lot of abuse from my City buddies for that one, still, revenge was oh so sweet in Bristol - what a night out that was, didn't have to buy a drink all night!!!!!!
A Childs View at 11:4:44 Saturday June 29 2002
Looking forward to the Crewe game, a tough one to start with but at home at least. Lets hope a better start to the campaign than the 3-0 reverse to City - I got a lot of abuse from my City buddies for that one, still, revenge was oh so sweet in Bristol - what a night out that was, didn't have to buy a drink all night!!!!!!
A Childs View at 11:2:55 Saturday June 29 2002
...he's making money from the deal. With assets way undervaluing debts how can he make cash? When you listen to those who finance smaller nationwide clubs they all say the same thing - we are not in it for the money, but for the love of the club. There is a counter argument which suggests that Stonhill's other business interests will have performed better because ofhis profile - I don't think that applies here though. Chairmen don't necessarily sell more houses do they! We are at the dawn of a new era and its a shame all the GDS bumph is taking the shine off it, the future may be exciting. I say may, I still want to know exactly what GDS is going to bring to the club - how much money, what new players, does he want to get the ground at some point? Fash may have been a time waster, but the reasoning behind that bid all stacked up and I believed it, I've still a few doubts re GDS, however, we've no choice but to give it a go, watch him closely and continue supporting the team.
A Childs View at 10:57:13 Saturday June 29 2002
....in thinking we once had Laurens ten Heuvel at the club? Sheffield Utd are chasing him at the moment, apparently he's the next big thing? He may have been at the club duting my uni years hence my patchy memory - between 92 - 95? Anyone remember? Was he any good? Re the Stonhill bastard or messiah debate, only the most cynical would think he
A Childs View at 10:53:57 Saturday June 29 2002
Why the aggro? If you can't exchange views on here what's the point in having CC as a forum for debate? Leave 2View alone - whether you agree or not. We sometimes forget, all contributors on this board have got a single common interest - supporting the Cobblers. So its gonna be next week is it? We'll see - I think most people have lost a bit of faith with all the nearly announcements. Whatever, the sooner its done the sooner we can see what GDS is going to bring to the party. Can we expect some decent signings before the start of the season? Will he stump up the cash to secure the 4 out of contract players? It'll be interesting to see how Jamie is handled next year - last year of his contract etc. Jamie will be a good barometer of GDS' impact - if he signs a new deal maybe the future is good, if he wants away it'll ask more questions. If Jamie doesn't want to sign we need to get him on the list asap to avoid another Steve Howard - how much do you think he is worth now? Am I right in...
Baseball cap at 22:24:49 Friday June 28 2002
Watch your blood pressure NTFC@2view. Watch your links - check your head - is that someone keying your car outside?
NTFC@2view at 22:22:30 Friday June 28 2002
Put in my place eh? Pathetic copy and paste twát. Check your links - 4 of the 6 don't work. My place is in the West Stand next season and the Cricket Side all those years ago. Where do you sit to watch the Teletext Prem results? Go away.
To NTFC@2view in his own words at 22:10:30 Friday June 28 2002
Perhaps you have made your point after some several dozen posts, but - and this may shock you - we don't really give a gnats wánk about your opinions. Please go back to whatever board you claim to post on and stay off here. Someone would like to hear from you.
Anon at 22:7:7 Friday June 28 2002
You're the hypocrite mate.
NTFC@2view at 22:5:38 Friday June 28 2002
Excuse ME? The "99%" sharing Tony Clarke's view will obviously not go anywhere near Sixfields this season - they couldn't possibly be so hypocritical. Can they?
Anon at 21:59:50 Friday June 28 2002
ha ha you really believe GdS will take NTFC up to division 1, get real mate.
Bazza at 21:57:8 Friday June 28 2002
So what if Stonhill etc. have made some money on the takeover deal? They were prepared to put some (maybe not much) finance into the club and keep it afloat for the last ten years or so. on the face of it , the Di Stefano deal looks ok and has got to be better than yo-yoing between div 2 and 3 with no prospect any advancement. Has'nt it?
and again at 21:55:34 Friday June 28 2002
http://www.ianaradionet.com/E_newstext/newst_n30.html
GdS arrested in 1994 at 21:53:48 Friday June 28 2002
http://www.xs4all.nl/~freeserb/feuilleton/assasinations/e-kovacevic.html
NTFC@2view put in his place at 21:51:23 Friday June 28 2002
http://boards.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=964&p=16&style=1&forumId=4500&action=1&replytoid=2138325796
Excuse ME? at 20:6:45 Friday June 28 2002
ntfc@2view what is the obsession with supporters going to MK or rushden? it seems to be more real in your mind than in reality.
Excuse ME? at 20:5:4 Friday June 28 2002
"stonhill saved the club"...along with the creditors who agreed to accept 5p each to settle their debts when we were in administration? How much did they contribute exactly? How much do we owe to others now?
Dummies at 19:6:26 Friday June 28 2002
Who can blame Stonhill if he is lining his pockets .... knowing how much money he and the other directors have put in over the last 10 years when they saved the club ... Some people keep fogeting this ... THEY SAVED THE CLUB now they are selling the club to GDS who will come in a do all the easy work and take us to division1
NTFC@2view at 18:49:6 Friday June 28 2002
I hope the board you ex-Cobblers supporters are going to is more harmonious, whether it be Rushden or Milton Keynes.
B.J.M at 18:19:0 Friday June 28 2002
As if Goater would step down to Division2 having scored so many in Division 1! Stonhill and co staying on the board? Sounds to me like having their cake and eating it. Or having their loans back and keeping their freebies. They can't believe their luck I bet! Sounds too good to be true. Who's going to get the rough end of the deal? That'll be the club no doubt.
a passer by at 17:59:34 Friday June 28 2002
I'll try again - we must all remember that the directors have 'acted in the best interest of the club' - like hell they have they have just lined their own pockets and run. Looking at the other offer it could not be said that it is inferior to GDS except that the directors wouldn't get so much. As for Goater for Forrester are we going back to the long ball game or what ???
a passer by at 17:56:22 Friday June 28 2002
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Anon at 17:0:19 Friday June 28 2002
But, Nosey Parker, TCMP doesn't pay for his seat either - correct?
Anon at 15:45:3 Friday June 28 2002
I am persevering through this boring takeover talk. Keegan wants Forrester in exchange for Goater. I have heard it from two different sources and it is on The Radio Five Live website.
Anon at 15:12:34 Friday June 28 2002
any firm interested in a land seal would only have used the club (and its preferential status with NBC as a tenant) to get a good deal on whatever packages it may have been interested in. The survival of the club would have been important in the short term but the long term fortunes on the field would be at best secondary and at worse an inconvenience
Double Standards? at 14:44:16 Friday June 28 2002
.....as for Stonhill what respect I did have for the man went when he accepted that Di Stefano was a suitable owner of NTFC
Double Standards? at 14:39:8 Friday June 28 2002
As far as I recall the Football Club have first refusal on the Stadium (as they already occupy that) but any other land such as the North and South Car Parks etc. would have to go out to open tender if they were to be sold or leased. I would guess that these other bidders were also interested in buying land at Sixfields not used by NTFC although they may have bought the club first.
Anon at 14:36:22 Friday June 28 2002
I AGREE WITH YOU NOSEY PARKER WELL SAID.
NTFC@2view at 14:6:39 Friday June 28 2002
DS? Your 'reading between the lines' was the usual attempt to show Stonhill et al in a bad light - you alone could 'see' it, so it was phantom. More worrying, however, is the statment that the sale of the council land would have to go out to tender. At no time were we told this when Fashanu was supposed to be bidding. It seems as if a Company could buy the Club and a different one put in a bigger tender for the stadium - which is total nonsense. Or was that just the way the report was written?
watching brief at 13:10:19 Friday June 28 2002
well said "sweeping generalizations" I totally agree
Double Standards? at 12:52:56 Friday June 28 2002
Sorry bNTFC@2View, having read your posting again I don't think you implied that I was "phamtom" but the other bidder is "phantom". Details are actually shown in the Chron - Its Tom Barry from a company called Media and Entertainment Management Ltd. They made an offer in March which would "secure the immediate future of the club and take over overdraft guarantees from existing directors" etc etc. The report in trhe Chron is not that long and doubtless there is a lot more in the offer which may be relevant.
Double Standards? at 12:44:22 Friday June 28 2002
NTFC@2view, my non de plume (if thats how its spelt) is no more or less "phantom" than any others, including your own. All I have done is pointed out that there is/was another bidder who may have been worth a look although the Chron report suggests that Di Steffno's bid is better for Stonhill. Even though I'm not happy about it I accept that Di Stefano will now control the club and its almost certainly too late for another bidder. I can understand why many fans accept Di Stefano because they have been told by Stonhill that he is the only serious bidder but if it transpires that the club could/should have been sold to someone else with a less contriversial background than Di Stefano that has at best divided fans and at worst may have all sorts of repercussions I don't think you would say that Stonhill and the rest of the board have acted in the best interests of NTFC.
NTFC@2view at 12:21:23 Friday June 28 2002
After x years, just on the point of a takeover, a phantom bidder is spotted by Double Standards?. As with all phantoms, you can't see him, except between the lines of course. When the 99% of the posters on this board (modest claim or what?) trot off to Rushden or Wimbledon, what will be the next 'big issue'? Back to Gabbi's wages I suppose.
The Drilling Cobbler at 12:13:52 Friday June 28 2002
Nosey Parker - your concerns about GDS buying companies, taking money from them and closing them down is valid. However, I fail to see how anyone could possibly achieve this with NTFC. The only thing of value attached to the Cobblers is the brand - in todays market the players are worthless in terms of assets - there is simply nothing that he could sell. All ticket sales goes through a third party - another company - and the council owns the stadium. And why would someone who is worth 300million look at a 2nd division club which turns over about 2.5million pa to make money? The figures involved are chicken feed in comparison to what money he has got. The problem with McRitchie was that he did not have a pot to piss in, and that he did not have any business acumen. Neither of these concerns should be attached to GDS. Logically I do not think we have a great deal to worry about.
Sweeping Generalizations at 11:55:40 Friday June 28 2002
Hey Nosey, TCMP is only saying what 99% of us think is he? Now who is spinning the "facts". The situation is this: we are skint, without money we will be lucky to exist midway through next season. GDS decides he wants to buy us, the board accepts. None of us is 100% sure about this bloke, but for the good of the club (and remember we all support and love NTFC) we need to form a united front and ensure that the future will be a good one.
Double Standards? at 11:21:28 Friday June 28 2002
Have a look at todays Chron (page 11). it seems there was another bidder who wanted to buy the club but was turned away. Reading between the lines it seems that this offer was not that attractive to Stonhill but I wonder how it did offer to secure the future of NTFC.
Nosey Parker at 11:3:46 Friday June 28 2002
Forrester for Goater........my arse!!!..........Of course Stonhill has lined his own pocket and gets to sit on the board and has his freebies with his arse lickers. then of course when its gone tits up then he can say "its nothing to do with me"......At the end of the day the wanker is an always will be an estate agent...........who trust's one of them anyway? TCMP is the only one to stand up to all this crap in public and say what 99% think.........we will be turmned over by this thief/terrorist..call him what you want but I guarantee that long term we will lose out on sponsorship etc because no one with any DECENT living/company etc want anything to do with him or his crooked past.
Anon at 10:37:10 Friday June 28 2002
I repeat myself. Keegan has offered Shaun Goater in exchange for Jamie Forrester. Does nobody have an opinion on this? You're boring me shitless with this takeover talk.
Double Standards? at 10:2:47 Friday June 28 2002
Methinks its more in the best interests of Stonhills pocket. His comment that he is not making a profit out of the deal does not mean he is making a big loss. Anyone who can walk away from a football club and get any money back would be delighted. Maybe there have been other offers which would have benefitted NTFC but not those who want out.
Hotel Ender at 9:40:16 Friday June 28 2002
Nosey - you've forgotten one thing - it's in the "best interests of the club" - Stonhill and NTFC@2view have said so
Nosey Parker at 9:15:20 Friday June 28 2002
I cannot believe we are letting a bloke who "Buys" companies etc......goes bust owing thousands......goes bust again......owing thousands AGAIN take over our club? Will we become another feather in the bow of his large cash filled cap? If he decides to pull the plug on us once he has spent or wasted money and we are in debt AGAIN who will want us then........NO ONE that who. Looks like Wimbledon or Rushden will benefit from this not us?
Anon at 9:2:25 Friday June 28 2002
Despite all the yahooo in the press and media - there still hasnt been oficial confirmation.!
Hotel Ender at 8:40:17 Friday June 28 2002
yes I was at the Bournemouth game in 76, and yes I did think the second half was crap - quite what that has to do with anything I'm not sure! but to change the subject I see Boston might be denied entry to the league and one of the players in receipt of the alleged wrongdoings is that old favourite of ours - that Boro bastard Ken Charlery. Ban him!!! lol
Wowie at 8:10:45 Friday June 28 2002
I remember a new era when McRichie came along.
Usual sh.t on here at 7:33:51 Friday June 28 2002
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Anon at 22:13:47 Thursday June 27 2002
.......regardless of where the money comes from?
Rodders at 21:4:41 Thursday June 27 2002
Absolutely! Roll on the new signings, the new season, and here's to the hope of some success!
Anon at 19:33:59 Thursday June 27 2002
Here Here !
WHY DONT YOU.......... at 19:23:46 Thursday June 27 2002
Why dont you all shut up with your holier than though crap and hope that our club can move forward with some cash behind it. If gds keeps to the back ground then why get so rattled about it? Even if it all goes t**ts up then dont you think it would eventually anyway without gds. Lets start to look forward to the new campaign and leave the business to those who obviously know more about it than we do.
WOW at 19:21:51 Thursday June 27 2002
whether you like it or not,a new era is beginning at NTFC.You are either in or out.Moaners,Grumblers and cynics alike can p**S of and lend their unwanted support somewhere else.Your day is over! For those that are in,support the club and the players 100%, and just maybe Northampton Town Football Club Can be lifted to where it should be.
due dillegence at 17:44:37 Thursday June 27 2002
If due dilligence on Mr Di Stefano has been done then no problem, but when you read some of stuff in the public domain you wonder if it has and-or how hard anyone looked
Rodders at 17:2:19 Thursday June 27 2002
Faie enough, skeleons! I just think that given the impossible position we were in last season both on and off the pitch, did we have a choice and shouldn't we wait and see? If I had the money, I would have bought the club and cherished it. I don't, though. My dad has, and used to love the Cobblers, but that affair ended long ago I'm afraid.
Skeletons at 15:39:41 Thursday June 27 2002
Rodney, this bloke hasn't just got a few skeletons in the cupboard he's got the whole graveyard jumping around in his back garden. Maxwell had a brain, its what he engaged it on that worried me and this chap seems no different
Rodney at 14:39:30 Thursday June 27 2002
As I have said before, find me a self-made millionaire who does not have a few skeletons in the cupboards! At least GDS has a brain which puts him ahead of at least two charmen we had in the early 1990s. Why don't we just wait and see. As for the bank rumour, as I understood it, Nat West were our bankers anyway.
Really !!! at 14:17:45 Thursday June 27 2002
David "As I've Said" O'Leary ?
David O'Leary at 13:46:48 Thursday June 27 2002
David has left Leeds United to become the new owner of Northampton Town!
turn over the page at 13:37:20 Thursday June 27 2002
Page also said at the trust forum that he had no business links with Di Stefano but was just a personal freind of 20 years, so whats all this Sandhurst Assets PLC stuff then?
Clerics Never Lie at 13:33:30 Thursday June 27 2002
Di Stefano is not a director of Dundee, even though that was stated to be the case by Rev Page.
common sense at 13:33:25 Thursday June 27 2002
you speak a lot of common sense Double Standards, I think that a lot of fans are now starting to wake up and realise the gds deal is not all good news and whilst most of us will still follow the team there will be an unease about the long term future of the club. Somebody told me that the co-op have already pulled out as the clubs bankers so its probably only a matter of time before Nationwide do likewise. Oh Happy Day
Double Standards at 13:28:14 Thursday June 27 2002
Although I am a cynic about offers for NTFC I suspect that Di Stefano is all but there and the lose ends will soon be tied up. Interesting times ahead and with the possibility of better results or the fat hitting the fan or maybe even both. Having renewed season tickets a few weeks ago I'll still be going as I don't see why I should miss out on my saturdays at NTFC even though I don't trust Di Stefano. Other spending such as shirts, programmes, sponsorship will be stopped whilst Di Stefano is involved. Hopefully Nationwide won't feel the same way otherwise there will be a new home shirt this season after all.
Anon at 13:17:23 Thursday June 27 2002
I honestly don't think this or any other takeover is going to take off. If it was surely these I's and T's would be dotted and crossed by now.
His Reverence at 13:13:40 Thursday June 27 2002
Drilling, the rev Mr Page, who is also a doctor! was also a director on the board of Sandhurst Assets PLC company whose company secretary was G D Stefano. The company is now dissolved with reported debts of £800,000, not spin rumour or allegation but hard facts log onto www.companieshouse.org.uk and see for yourself, but hey why let past business records worry us? after all it couldn't happen at NTFC could it?
95%60% at 12:34:13 Thursday June 27 2002
ITS DONE!! oh no.... wait a minute its not done!! BBC say its a deal Stefano says he has 60% The club say the BBC jumped the gun and Barry Stonhill says last week it was 90% there, this week it is 95% and should be completed "early next week" meanwhile a snippet from the Scottish Daily Record April 28th 1999 re Di Stefano and Dundee: Di Stafano says "I will buy Dundee in Days" he added "I expect and anticipate that I will be the owner of the club very soon" "If these plans dont come off - and soon - he challenges: "Call me a liar in Huge print and on the front page" allright then YOUR A LIAR!!!!. So just the rubber stamping to do now then: dot the i's cross the t's and its just a matter of technicalities. Thats cleared that up
The Drilling Cobbler at 12:31:2 Thursday June 27 2002
Out of interest 'spin' - you say 1 less season ticket for next season. I take it you have not bought one yet because its highly unlikely you will get a refund! Maybe your true colours have come out of that statement - and they are not claret & white!
The Drilling Cobbler at 12:27:2 Thursday June 27 2002
Wether people agree or disagree about GDS, its going to be a very interesting few weeks leading upto the season. I think we will be able to gauge GDS's intentions very quickly with the type of players we sign/resign during the next month or so. For the first time ever - assuming the administrative formalities are completed - we appear to be in a position to challenge the 'big' clubs in the 2nd division. I read on text yesterday that Coventry are about to complete the signing of Ray Van whoever from Man Utd - wasnt Welch not rumoured to be going there? Great PR installing a Reverend onto the board! Lets get behind him and hopefully we can at last be successful after 35 years away from the top 2 divisions!
The real Hotel Ender! at 9:4:33 Thursday June 27 2002
At the Bournemouth game, I went down the Spion Kop for the second half!!! And I dont care a fig who owns the club - I love the Cobblers what ever happens!!
NTFC@2view at 8:25:48 Thursday June 27 2002
Were you there when we were 6 up at half time v Bournemouth Hotel Ender? Bet you moaned about how crap the 2nd half was. Out of interest, were you a Stonhill Out man?
PATTCOBB at 8:16:19 Thursday June 27 2002
Just an idea but how about the club mount a massive advertising campaign in Milton Keynes this season, as it looks unlikely Wimbledon will be on the move for at least another season. Would like to think the new regime would be willing to try and promote the club its image and its games much more. Must say I didn't expect Mr Di Stefano to have such a thick Wellingboro accent when I heard him last night on Radio Northampton indeed it took the Baary Stonhill interview to convince me it wasn' a hoax call.....
Bed Mate, at 0:6:32 Thursday June 27 2002
Well the time is here Mr Clarke you said you would resign if GDS took over we shall see if M.P Mr Clarke sticks to his word and resign's you have missed out on a cheap rate season ticket never mind you can get a freebie from Borough Council
Hotel Ender at 23:6:41 Wednesday June 26 2002
in the fine tradition of the Royle Family - "best interests of the club"!! My arse!!! Mind you Stonhill & co won't do badly out of it - they've sold the club and they still get the freebies by staying on the Board - so thats what they meant by "best interests of the club"
SPIN at 21:27:19 Wednesday June 26 2002
Don't need the bus pass anymore, some kind bloke offered me a lift to Irthlingborough on his Massey Ferguson.
SPIN at 21:25:6 Wednesday June 26 2002
No, I don't like this "New Wimbledon" thing.
NTFC@2view at 21:15:14 Wednesday June 26 2002
Not bad this time SLIME. Are you sure it won't be the Trendy MK Dons though?
A Childs View at 20:44:9 Wednesday June 26 2002
Oh - I see the deal is 99% complete - again!! We must have 'nearly' sold the club about 15 times over the last few months. Never know, it might actually happen before the season starts - very bored of it now, sign the forms, sign players, play football, score goals, top the league, win promotion, same next year and into the premiership please - its very simple really!!
SPIN at 20:35:14 Wednesday June 26 2002
NTFC can I borrow your free bus pass so I can go to Rushden next season?
SOUTH BEDS COBBLER at 20:33:32 Wednesday June 26 2002
Sod the moral high ground, i would rather eat at the rich mans table than all you angels with dirty faces blinded by fashnable football p.c gone mad! Lets take the filthy lucre/hard earned investment,because lets face it these are hard times and no one else is throwing money at us. Lets hope GDS makes a success of it ..
Anon at 20:3:13 Wednesday June 26 2002
SPIN If you got your facts right before you spout your crap on here,you would know that GDS sold his Norwich shares and made a damn good profit.
NTFC@2view at 19:55:53 Wednesday June 26 2002
Had you read the Official m/board you might be able to answer that yourself. Immodest maybe Spiny, but better than some of your ner ners by far.
BIG JIM at 19:46:55 Wednesday June 26 2002
Do you all think that FGash would have been a safer option? I think with the players that we have signed already we could be `comfortable`. But as we all know, natural goal scorers seem to lose their touch here
SPIN at 19:44:27 Wednesday June 26 2002
Now will MY question get answered - is it OK by FA and FL rules for GdS to own a majority of shares in NTFC and also own Norwich shares as well?
SPIN at 19:43:4 Wednesday June 26 2002
You're too funny NTFC@Peter Mandelson.
NTFC@2view at 19:31:24 Wednesday June 26 2002
SPINNIE BABY - Tough against Stonhill, tough against the successor to Stonhill.
NTFC@2view at 19:29:15 Wednesday June 26 2002
No Big Jim, just checking that I remembered right from this board last season.
BIG JIM at 19:24:48 Wednesday June 26 2002
You must agree that he kept us just above the water for years. DAo you think GdS is as bad as he seems? Why don`t you sanction the deal?
SPIN at 19:19:0 Wednesday June 26 2002
Wonder what TCMP thinks of his new student co-directors?
SPIN at 19:15:59 Wednesday June 26 2002
No chance Big Jim. You have to draw the line somewhere.
BIG JIM at 19:15:53 Wednesday June 26 2002
Don`t you think that Stonhill has done a good job then?
SPIN at 19:15:9 Wednesday June 26 2002
see Stonhill got his "best interests of the club" line in again. Hypocrite.
BIG JIM at 19:14:18 Wednesday June 26 2002
If I could be there and have a season ticket....I would no matter who took the club over. After all it`s the Cobblers not the Chairman we`re following!!!
SPIN at 19:13:55 Wednesday June 26 2002
Start as you mean to go on! I mean, two STUDENTS on the board? Pleeeeeeeaaaaaaaase!
SPIN at 19:12:15 Wednesday June 26 2002
That's one season ticket less for next season then.
BIG JIM at 19:10:34 Wednesday June 26 2002
GDS HAS BOUGHT 60% Controlling interest in the club
BIG JIM at 19:9:29 Wednesday June 26 2002
Are you ex mob?
NTFC@2view at 18:58:40 Wednesday June 26 2002
Wondered. Why?
BIG JIM at 18:54:53 Wednesday June 26 2002
Why?
BIG JIM at 18:54:51 Wednesday June 26 2002
Why?
NTFC@2view at 18:36:53 Wednesday June 26 2002
Question for Big Jim. Aren't you the bloke who was in the RAF in Cyprus recently?
NTFC@2view at 18:35:23 Wednesday June 26 2002
SPIN at 12:58:22 Wednesday June 26 2002 - I missed this it seems. Why is there no relevance in bringing up what people post in opposition to points I might make? Why can I not ask people for substantiation of accusations made? My basic idea is this: 1 We could do with some money as the people keeping us afloat at the moment have said they can't and won't carry on. 2 We have been up for sale and Mother Theresa, amongst others (whose name has been brought up) has not tabled an actual offer, even though she initially expressed an interest - allegedly. 3 GdS has and I see no reason why he shouldn't be sold the club. (Already has done according to Teletext). As for your later posts - please! I mean ner ner nee ner ner!
SPIN at 17:55:19 Wednesday June 26 2002
Aaaaahh, don't want to play anymore? You might just be mellowing in your not-so-old age.
SPIN at 17:52:49 Wednesday June 26 2002
In da house! come on NTFC, give me your best shot.
SPIN at 17:51:47 Wednesday June 26 2002
"How do you have any idea what I have done with my life?" I'm too young to remember the Crimean War as well, so what would I know?
NTFC@2view at 17:51:21 Wednesday June 26 2002
Where did you get lost LH?
SPIN at 17:48:37 Wednesday June 26 2002
Born around 1942, poor little NTFC@2view was immediately called up to serve in the front lines............?
Hargreaves Hunt and Welch at 17:13:13 Wednesday June 26 2002
If GDS loves the club as much as he says and is worth millions and is confident of a deal why has he not got the club to sign Hargreaves Hunt and Welch as well as the Scots Internationals mentioned by him. Also for someone who doesn't want to get involved should'nt he of asked Kevan his view on the players before wafting them in front of the fans as a bribe for support
YOBS at 17:6:56 Wednesday June 26 2002
paddy, why worry about yobs disgracing the game when those running cannot or will not take any action over who is or is not a fit and proper person to own a club. people may not think that hose who have posted below are interested in football but the opposite is the case its because people love our club that we are scared of the consequence of selling out to someone whos intention let alone his past is still unclear
LH at 16:46:35 Wednesday June 26 2002
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NTFC@2view at 16:39:59 Wednesday June 26 2002
I'm sorry LH, but nowhere can I see where you have pointed out my 'errors'. Anyway, can't be bothered any more. BTW, does it say, "It is said that Mother Theresa did...." or does it say, "Mothere Theresa did..."? Last question, but I don't really want an answer. Big Jim. The 'dirty link' was nothing to do with you as you should have seen with careful reading. Lads Army for a 60 year old - you patronising twát. How do you have any idea what I have done with my life? Any idea about'The Troubles' or their origin? Do you care, or is it just, "Yes Sarge, point us out the ones to shoot."
Anon at 16:20:30 Wednesday June 26 2002
Football news. Keegan has offered Shaun Goater in exchange for Jamie Forrester.
LH at 16:1:38 Wednesday June 26 2002
Back to football . Anybody else notice that an Asamoah from Ghana was Germanys sub yesterday ? Any relation or is the name Asamoah as popular there as Smith is here ?
LH at 15:50:12 Wednesday June 26 2002
NTFC@2view. Please refer to my previous posts for the replies to your points. Like Drilling I shall probably agree to disagree .
Paddy Cobbler at 15:45:18 Wednesday June 26 2002
Meanwhile, back to football. Well done the Boys in Green in Asia, even without Roy Keane and nice to see the positive side of England's support. Maybe just maybe you are taking your game back from the yobs who disgrace your country time and time again. Well done
BIG JIM at 15:29:52 Wednesday June 26 2002
NTFC@2view no. I may not have had the experience of occupation but you are very stupid to think that I am that Paranoid that I worry about people with dirty links, you`ll be one of those they call a sympathiser. Personally I have served in N Ireland and I KNOW what those bastards get up to. What have you done with your life apart from hide behind a bloody monitor. I think a spell on lad`s army would do you the world of good. I suppose you enjoy seeing bits of squaddies in the street on the tv etc. If it wasn`t for people like me your town centre maybe in bits..so get real you muppet.
NTFC@2view at 15:1:17 Wednesday June 26 2002
LH, last time I asked you to point out the flaw in my argument you failed to reply. How am I re-writing modern history? Please reply. At present I am embarrassed by someone who keeps telling me I will be embarrassed but not what I have said which is untrue to be embarrassed about. Tell me what I have said that is in dispute. As for the ethnic cleansing in Abington Street - it was a joke you silly billies! Just because I didn't put LOL.
Bewildered at 14:51:3 Wednesday June 26 2002
I'm sorry, I seem to have strayed onto a political fanaticist's site. Anybody know where the Cobblers Comments site has been moved to?
The Future at 14:23:27 Wednesday June 26 2002
What does the future hold? constant embarrassment, uncertain motives, huge wage bills to cover the cost of Scottish Internationals and Georgian captains, and then when GDS is bored, or his children are bored with their present, then the debt is bigger the running costs are greater and no one will touch us with a bargepole, perhaps struggling on and waiting for a real alternative that all supporters can get behind is not such a bad option. It doesn't matter if you are for or against GDS it is obviuos that the fans are split over the deal and no amount of spinning by the club will alter that fact one jot.
LH at 14:13:2 Wednesday June 26 2002
.....we cut our cloth accordingly and carry on as we are.
Anon at 14:10:16 Wednesday June 26 2002
Parachuting tigers, what is the point of discussing it? We allready know what the future holds, if GDS dont take over.............
SPIN at 13:3:41 Wednesday June 26 2002
Drilling Cobbler at 12:56:49 . Fair enough, but there is a distinction between the "all's fair in business" argument and being potrayed as a close aide of someone who unquestionably was responsible for the deaths of thousands?
LH at 13:2:56 Wednesday June 26 2002
Drilling , you have your opinion I have mine . We agree to disagree.
parachuting tigers!! at 12:59:2 Wednesday June 26 2002
are we to believe then ntfc@2view that you would have no problem or indeed would be happy if mass the ethnic cleansing of Kosovans took place on Abington Street? I have read similar right wing views on Sid Sidwells site and it becomes difficult to detach politics from football when those who purport to support the club hold such extreme views, ask Millwall if they were ever forgiven for the racist rantings of a minority, no on this issue it is right and proper that we should discuss what the future holds even if it is uncomfortable for those who just want to take the money and to hell with the consequences
SPIN at 12:58:22 Wednesday June 26 2002
Thank you LH. Very well put. Pardon me for asking, but can someone explain the logic behind NTFC@2view's arguments. (Like, what exactly are his arguments?) I fail to see any consistency in what he says, merely rambling about easy targets such as the IRA, Kosovan refugees or other people's posts which have no relevance to the subject whatsoever. Am I right in assuming your point is essentially this - 1. GdS has not been found guilty of any crime, 2. He has lots of money, 3. The club is desperate, therefore 4. He is a suitable owner.
The Drilling Cobbler at 12:56:49 Wednesday June 26 2002
LH, GDS owns shares in Norwich - when have they been identified by people in a negative light because of this? The same can be said of Dundee. Darlington are associated with a safe cracker, ex convict who spent time in prison for his crimes. Do people hate Darlington because of this? Fulham are owned by arguably one of the biggest 'dodgy dealers'/corrupt business men in this country. Someone who tried to buy their arch rivals beforehand but was told where to go by Ken Bates. People might dislike them because of the 'bandwagon' supporters element, but for no other reason. Personally I associate clubs with their supporters/area/history etc - not with the person who happens to be their majority shareholder. When are Birmingham publicly associated with pornography? Blackpool with paedafiles? (sorry I cant spell!) The list is endless. And surely being seen as a struggling honest lower league team is not something to be particularly proud of! Maybe we will not be soon with GDS's money....
LH at 12:30:23 Wednesday June 26 2002
If you search Mother Teresa on the web you find good / positive responses ,If you search on GDS you find worrying / negative . Something has obviously gone on. As Drilling states earlier a football club becomes an integral part of the fabric of the Town , people identify with it and other towns associte the town with the football club Town. If GDS buys the Club we will be indentified not as a good ,honest struggling lower division Club but as the Club owned by the guy who was friends and business partner with a Serbian warlord who committed warcrimes & atrocities. In my opinion it is this previous history which makes GDS not a suitable person to own NTFC. ntfc@ 2view seems to want to excuse GDS by rewriting modern history and he / she should be embarrassed by the logic of this. We all know what went on in the Balkans in the 90's and its impossible to put a gloss or spin on it from whichever angle or political divide you look .
NTFC@2view at 12:25:42 Wednesday June 26 2002
On a 'not likely to happen' note, here's a question. If Arkan's Tigers parachuted in and cleared the town centre of all the lounging Kosovan Youth, would you be 1 openly happy 2 happy, but pretending to be outraged 3 genuinely outraged that, even though we bombed Milosevic and got him out of power, they can stay here if they want?
NTFC@2view at 12:17:16 Wednesday June 26 2002
Sorry about the stupid, but there was no chance of your option being possible. That's all I meant. As for clouding the isue - morality is morality. I didn't buy S African goods during Apartheid. Big deal you may say, but I didn't. So the takeover by suppliers of BRITISH weapons of death isn't a total side issue - except it isn't likely to happen. I'm still amazed at the politicization of this and other boards by people - not you - that have probably never heard of Northampton Town, let alone watched them. Big Jim, we none of us has experience of occupation by a 'foreign power' and don't really know how we'd act. And YES - which part is a yes? The house? I can see you on the internet now trying to find if the couple who came round your house had any 'dirty links'. NOT.
YES at 10:59:35 Wednesday June 26 2002
some of us would...YES
The Drilling Cobbler at 10:33:21 Wednesday June 26 2002
And before someone starts 'trawling' the web looking for evidence to support their political beliefs DONT BOTHER. Would those same people check out personal details about someone who wished to buy their house,car etc or would they be happy providing that person paid up? Or would they resign from their job putting themselves on the breadline if it became evident that their employer was supporting a politic cause that they were not comfortable with? The current board have to take into consideration that they are now unable to fund NTFC, it is not upto us to question who they sell the club - all we can do is hope that whoever it is respects the fact that a football club is an institution and is a large part of many peoples lives. Providing they do not abuse it, surely the rest can be waived aside.
The Drilling Cobbler at 10:23:3 Wednesday June 26 2002
Gerry Adams is involved in front line politics. He is an elected MP representing a political party. As far as I know GDS's current involvements in politics are more back stage, ie representing some of those that are through his profession. Some would say that Tony Clarke represents a political party that is more than happy to involve itself in wars that have NOTHING today with this country. I do not personnally take this stance but some would.Is it Oldham or Burnley where the BNP recently won seats via a democratic poll? I wouldnt vote for them but then I do not agree with their policies. Others do, therefore one has to respect that. Leave politics out of it, this whole takeover saga is about what is best for NTFC, it is not a party political broadcast for every extreme left winger to take part in. Money is what we need, better players etc and frankly everything else is irrelevant.
Hotel Ender at 10:3:28 Wednesday June 26 2002
please note I did not call your questions "stupid" even though you dismissed mine in that peremptory manner.
Hotel Ender at 9:58:50 Wednesday June 26 2002
NTFC@2view - you didn't answer the question. But I believe the analogy between Gerry Adams and his support for the IRA and its aims and GDS' support for Milosovic and his aims is a valid one. I think you are trying to cloud the issue by your other questions. You appear to support the takeover by GDS, but surely you appreciate the concerns raised by those of us not wanting to become the pariahs of the football league?
BIG JIM at 8:32:25 Wednesday June 26 2002
Gerry Adams represents the Republican movement(i.e.SINN FEIN/IRA) and if you took abit longer looking in the Sun or some two bit newspaper,you will find that he was the Commander of the Provisional IRA and led the split from the Official IRA in the early `70`s. He is a bad bastard who murdered and conspired to murder a lot of British servicemen and RUC Police officers. Gerry Adams is still a very senior figure in the IRA and because you don`t see it or hear about they are and always have been up to their old tricks
NTFC@2view at 8:15:7 Wednesday June 26 2002
Gery Adams represents Sinn Fein, an Irish political party, not the IRA - so it is a totally stupid question. Would I be happy to be sponsored by the Conservative Party? That's a tough one. Glad you're not a No Surrender man though. Lot of parallels between NI/Kosovo - although significant differences, but Political History seems to be the bent of lots of others that have suddenly appeared on our board since the appearance of GdS. Were they pro or anti Wilson, pro or anti Stonhill, or did they exist? I think I've had a reasonablr stab at answering your question, flawed though it was. Mine, below, are still unanswered. Here's another. Would you be happy to be taken over by the British Armament Industry that continues to sell weapons of mass destruction to both India and Pakistan, even though they ar still close to war? Work calls.
AmongST us a shouter at 23:25:38 Tuesday June 25 2002
i would take money from Gerry and the peacemakers, their song 'furry across the murphy' made alot of people happy, why not share in the joy.
Hotel Ender at 22:56:33 Tuesday June 25 2002
NTFC@2view - so how about answering my question. Would you take money from Gerry Adams & the IRA if it helped the Cobblers? yes or no?
NTFC@2view at 22:2:43 Tuesday June 25 2002
I never said that I condoned anything that was done by the Serbs or to the Serbs in the break up of Jugoslavia. I merely pointed out the errors of the previous poster. I don't really like sloppy arguments that give innuendo as fact by the simple practice of putting FACT after them. No-one has proved to me that GdS IS the international most wanted criminal that some say he is. And to shut me up you DO need to prove it to me. He is in London at the moment - allegedly. Why isn't he being arrested? He is defending Milosevic at the moment in The Hague - allegedly. Why isn't he on trial as well? Or does he get immunity? How do you stand on our Brave Lions playing in a football tournament with the US team whose forces have just killed thousands of innocent Afghans, or Turks who regularly kill Kurds, or Argentinians who score hand-ball goals?
Hotel Ender at 21:25:27 Tuesday June 25 2002
NTFC@view - are you seriously suggesting that because Kosovo is a "rump" of Yugoslavia - the Serbs had a right to kill, rape and pillage because it was part of their own country?? I know this gets off the point of the Cobblers - but this seems to me that the GDS supporters are willing to accept ANYTHING as long as we get the cash. Given your argument, you'd be quite happy if Gerry Adams & the IRA decided to launder its money with the Cobblers as long as we were in Division 1 in two years - mind you where would that leave the morons who sing "No Surrender!"???
NTFC@2view at 21:22:40 Tuesday June 25 2002
SPIN - what a stupid word. It is thrown around to describe something someone else believes but you do not. It is the direct opposite of FACT. "We'll be in the Conference" SPIN. "GdS is responsible for all evil in the world" FACT. Hypocrisy and bullshít! LH, I'm waiting for my answer. Suitably embarrassed you have no answer are you?
Suitable person (sbc) at 21:3:23 Tuesday June 25 2002
To be considered a potential buyer of our exclusive football club you need to pass the following criteria .White anglo saxon, Oxford/ camb educated, friend of upper classes /royalty , fortune inherited, and never having any links with any other club
Pure Bull at 20:54:7 Tuesday June 25 2002
"Because if you had your way in 2 years time we will have a conference team to support AT BEST. " No spin there Mr Drilling Cobbler? I was under the impression that there are a lot of other clubs in our situation? Are we all going down to the Conference together? Last Christmas we were already in Div 3, remember? Judge GdS on his (lack of) merits alone, not on fear.
RDFC at 20:44:1 Tuesday June 25 2002
good luck with the new owner decent cobblers fans. Maybe you'll get us lucky as us lol!
The Drilling Cobbler at 18:56:54 Tuesday June 25 2002
LH, Please can you describe a 'suitable person' - be specific, do not give examples. Describe their personality, their interests, their background, their wealth, their family etc. Perhaps then we can start speculating who the ideal person could be, and approach them with a proposal regarding purchasing NTFC. Because if you had your way in 2 years time we will have a conference team to support AT BEST.
Anon at 18:38:27 Tuesday June 25 2002
GDS not suitable for NTFC? it just goes to show that beggars can't be choosers
NTFC@2view at 17:42:30 Tuesday June 25 2002
LH. A person at last. Are you telling me that my logic is false in some way? Which part please? I'd like to know. Are you suggesting he would be suitable to own Peterborough United, for example? Again, are you basing your judgement on facts? Or innuendo? I believe he is in this country at present - at large. Why not try a citizen's arrest as you obviously feel so strongly?
LH at 17:32:13 Tuesday June 25 2002
Or even argument !
LH at 17:14:36 Tuesday June 25 2002
NTFC@2view, I believe that when you look back at the logic of your augument you will be suitably embarrased. GDS is not a suitable person to own NTFC
NTFC@2view at 16:47:11 Tuesday June 25 2002
I believe you might find that Kosovo was(is) part of the rump Jugoslavia, as was Serbia and Montenegro. That's a bit like saying invading Wales is not invading Britain. And I suppose that if some other power were to bomb England you would not feel too bad about it as they would not actually be invading us.
Double Standards? at 16:45:19 Tuesday June 25 2002
Which Country?, because he has money he clearly is the right man, after all some fans were prepared to accept the devil if he had money - looks like we may have him anyway.
which country? at 16:27:27 Tuesday June 25 2002
ntfc@2view, which country? Italy Serbia or the UK? anyway NATO did not invade Serbia for whom he held milatary rank. What it did was liberate Kosava to stop the ethnic cleansing, rape and torture of whole villages, or did you forget that bit. It may be patriotic to defend a homeland against invasion, but to defend butchery and mass murder on a scale unknown since the holocaust is not my idea of patriotism. Just the sort of bloke we want around the football club dont you think?
dave thorn at 15:52:8 Tuesday June 25 2002
best of luck tothe Cobblers for the coming season;Good news that Sammo is staying
Double Standards? at 15:50:36 Tuesday June 25 2002
......and isn't "his club" Dundee? I'm sure that Richard Page said that Di Stefano was a director of Dundee.
Double Standards? at 15:47:52 Tuesday June 25 2002
True, but not quite the same as Germany invading Poland. Anyway "his (Di Stefano's)country" is Italy according his posting on the NTFC message board.
NTFC@2view at 15:34:31 Tuesday June 25 2002
I don't think that promising to fight against invaders of 'his' country is very wrong. Quite patriotic really.
A.J.P. Taylor at 15:23:46 Tuesday June 25 2002
Drilling Cobbler '....German because they have invaded us twice....". I assume you mean the UK by 'us'. Unless you are counting various Germanic invasions from around 500-900ad - they have not invaded 'us' at all - France, Belgium, Holland, Poland, Hungary, Russia etc maybe - but not us! Please try to ensure historical accuracy in future posts.
No Standards at 13:34:24 Tuesday June 25 2002
Forget sarcasm its cheap, just try a little to see things from both sides
Barry Stonhills Chickens at 13:31:23 Tuesday June 25 2002
Don't beleive what you read in the newspapers.
Double Standards at 13:26:2 Tuesday June 25 2002
My comment about Shoes, Chickens and Meat etc has nothing to do with killing humans it was just to illustrate that others on this board seem to suggest that because we don't protest about those issues we should not comment on who runs NTFC - I was trying to be sarcastic!
No Standards at 12:10:32 Tuesday June 25 2002
Double standards that line from you "If he has made money from drugs,corruption and violence it doesn't matter anyway because it doesn't directly effect me" just about sums up the whole debate. Its no longer about what people think but more about those who dont think or dont know how to shouting the loudest like at the trust meeting. Your rant about shoes/chickens etc undermines your whole posting ie we kill animals so why not humans?, anyway I read in the Mail today that Battery Cages are to be banned
Double Standards? at 11:54:42 Tuesday June 25 2002
The arguments that there are worse people in the world than GDS and we are up the creek without money are enough for most fans. If he has made money out drugs, corruption and violence it doesn't matter anyway because it doesn't directly effect me - the fact that shoes are made from leather that comes from animals and we eat meat from chickens kept in shocking conditions makes all the ills of the world justifiable - It seems that there is no need to ask questions as long as we are not directly effected. Maybe when the lunatics finally take over the asylum you might then ask why.
publish the poll at 11:49:57 Tuesday June 25 2002
Sid can you publish the result of the poll and give your views as to how voting went as it is getting more and more difficult to get anything but slavish praise and spin from the official site, anything you can do would help a lot of people out in seeing what the real view is
he also at 11:38:2 Tuesday June 25 2002
he also held milatary rank in the serb army which fought against british troops in Kosova recently and was quoted as saying "the day that NATO enter into Kosova I will be the first at the front line" but hey, why let a little misdemenour like that get in the way of a cash windfall? I think that is the general attitude that prevails, as was said below some people would take the devils cash if it was on offer.
Sid at 11:33:15 Tuesday June 25 2002
I'm pretty sure you are wrong Drilling Cobbler - it may let you vote again after a certain number of days (not sure though - have to check that one out) and from the same PC, but that poll was left up there for quite a while. The day I should have taken it down saw that people were against GDS, and throughout the 3 weeks it was up it levelled out somewhat. I only had a few unsures - and whenever I vote i never lets me vote twice. Just for the record, I do live in MK, I don't like Wimbledon, and where is West Stand Dave!?!
The Drilling Cobbler at 10:34:35 Tuesday June 25 2002
..or buy a mcdonalds because they have helped fund the IRA. Or buy playboy magasine because of their unhealthy political relationship with the Labour party(One of many companies!) Do you eat meat? Do you hunt? Do you wear leather shoes? Do you have any wooden furniture? Every single one of us abuses our planets resources, so try not to be too selective. GDS has money - money that will be spent in ensuring that we still have a football team to support. Stop living in denial, and look forward to August 10th when hopefully we will have a decent team to watch beat Crew and get our campaign underway.
The Drilling Cobbler at 10:24:31 Tuesday June 25 2002
I am not suggesting Sids site is rigged, I am merely pointing out that you are able to vote as many times as you wish. I know because I have voted more than once and from the same pc! For the record, my votes were cast under the 'not sure' because at the time it was not completely apparant that Fash's bid had fallen by the wayside. It clearly has now hence why my stance has changed in GDS's favour. As for 20% 'anon' being in favour at the trust meeting, I would suggest that it is you attempting anti spin because it was clearly alot higher than that. I agree there may well have been alot of 'new' people at the meeting - I was one of them - because alot of people do not wish to associate themselves with a dictatorship! I used to sit on the exec committee myself in the early 90's shortly after the trust was formed. Nearly 10years have elapsed since then and still we hear the McRitchie story being brought up. Maybe we should not buy anything German because they have invaded us twice....
In the know at 9:45:51 Tuesday June 25 2002
Sids site is rigged and is a complete farce. He lives in Milton Keynes and supports Wimbledon.He even likes West Stand Dave
Anon at 7:59:5 Tuesday June 25 2002
Sid's site is NOT rigged. It sends you a cookie when you vote and doesn't allow you to vote again from the same PC. Of course, as with any internet poll there isn't anything to stop you voting from another PC, such as one at work, your friends, your brothers, your mums, the library, an internet cafe but if that's your idea of fun you don't deserve any hapiness.
anon at 0:15:57 Tuesday June 25 2002
drilling cobbler, what you mean is everyone at the back of the room at the trust meeting were pro gds and clapped when someone said "I would sell the club to the devil if he had the money" I sat about 1/3 back and only around 20% of the audience put there hands up when some bloke called an impromptu vote at the back, a lot of people felt uncomfortable, there were a lot of people at that meeting who I had never seen at a trust meeting before, and if sid sidwells site is rigged then are you saying the pro vote are not as switched on as the anti's I thought you could only vote once, any way last week the chron had a poll which asked GDS or Fash daft question as everyone knew Fash had gone walkabout, but guess what Fash won by about 70% to 30% not bad for abloke not even in the running. As for the official site open your eyes, the club can sign on as many names as they wish the chief spinmeister runs the site for god sake, and every post is followed by, "very good point you make there"
Spinderella at 22:33:26 Monday June 24 2002
TOMORROW NIGHT - Radio Five Live will be broadcasting Any Sporting Questions live from Miltomn Keynes. One of the guests will be John Fashanu. Remember - you can ask him any question you like....
Anon at 22:5:2 Monday June 24 2002
We already did that NTFC@2view. Did you complain then?
NTFC@2view at 19:9:30 Monday June 24 2002
"..adhering to normal business and moral principles." That would be running up huge debts they can't possibly pay and then saying to hard-working creditors, "Accept 2p in the £1 or fúck off!"
Anon at 19:5:18 Monday June 24 2002
Now you are being ridiculous Spin.....nobody goes on holiday to Carlilse
SPIN's deceitful change of username at 17:40:40 Monday June 24 2002
One other option is to do what most other clubs are doing. Try to continue the best they can whilst adhering to normal business and moral principles. Although I hear Saddam Hussein is making a bid for Carlisle. He went there once for a holiday when he was 5 years old.
SPIN's web of lies at 17:37:20 Monday June 24 2002
Of course Drilling, I have a pro-GDS username and this is my anti-GDS username! And you and NTFC@2view are the same person!
Anon at 17:14:43 Monday June 24 2002
Hunt and Hunter off to Oxford?
NTFC@2view at 17:1:42 Monday June 24 2002
"we do have other options" What are they? "every one is scared to say what every one is thinking" But you obviously aren't so tell us!
The Drilling Cobbler at 16:45:2 Monday June 24 2002
No options - firstly the poll on Sids site has little meaning because you can vote as many times as you wish. Secondly, how can you alledge that the official site is rigged when each entrant includes the total number of posts made by that person? Thirdly, at the trust meeting last week it was evident that the vast majority were 'for' the takeover - I spoke with around 8 people who I did not know beforehand and they were all for giving Di Stefano a chance. Also, every Cobblers supporter I have spoken with - a cross section of lifelong and more recent ones - are all pro. And finally, whos to say that the huge number of entrants on this board under names such as 'spin', no options, common sence etc are not one of the same person? The regulars on this board generally post under the same name(eg Childs view, NTFC&2VIEW etc) so I would have said it is quite likely that the anti brigade are no more than a handful of people with their own agenda's. I am only summising though like you...
United Front at 16:17:42 Monday June 24 2002
What are the other options open to us? If we don't have a major injection of money we will begin to slide towards the Conference, and even worse may not even have a club to support if we have a season like last one..
common sense at 15:58:30 Monday June 24 2002
maybe the answer then is to let GDS only buy half the club. you will see how well that goes down with stonhill and co. They say it is in the best interests of the club to sell to him but i bet they wouldn't want to mix their money up with his. Says it all really.
no options at 15:38:15 Monday June 24 2002
united front, the trouble is we do have other options its just that every one is scared to say what every one is thinking, this board and sid sidwells (whos poll by a tight margin showed that more were against the GDS takeover than for it) are the only place where you can have a debate, the official site is fixed and pro GDS because thats what Gareths been told to do, unless 80-90% were in favour and I can't see that happening then fans are split down the middle and far from looking bright the future looks divisive
United Front at 13:9:3 Monday June 24 2002
TCMP is entitled to his personal opinions, and if things go tits up he will be able to say I told you so, but isn't it equally possible that GDS will be a good thing for the club? Its all very well looking into the crystal ball and seeing bad things, but we have no option but to cross our fingers and hope that the future will be positive.
SIGN WELCH at 11:39:26 Monday June 24 2002
if GDS is taking over and is serious why wont he do one good thing now and sign Welch, all the scottish internationals on his wish last should come second to retaining the best keeper in the division
Mr Sollitt and MR MP at 11:36:46 Monday June 24 2002
since when did TCMP take any notice of the whips? I spoke to him on Friday and it was pretty clear to me that he was just fed up of all the crap he has to take, he was the only one on the board to say hang on we need to be careful with this bloke, and if he is proved right in 2 years time it will be too late, some people just dont give a damn and are happy to shout down any dissenting voice. Re Sollitt, he never commanded his own area and lost confidence, a move to another club is the best thing for him
Still bursting at 23:22:14 Sunday June 23 2002
Sorry perhap we could even sign WELCH.
Bursting. at 23:19:14 Sunday June 23 2002
Sorry at the moment what pot? we can' t even afford to give decent enough contracts to players, who kept us in div2. I think we are still having to pee up the wall.I do hope Hargreaves ,Hunt ,Wech and Hunter sign a contract with us next season.Please sort money, takeover and contracts out.Then we would have a pot!
south beds cobb at 23:0:6 Sunday June 23 2002
With so many other clubs having to cut there cloth for the first time,,that should give us a big advantage having been without a pot to piddle in for the last 30 years,
Rodney Marshall at 22:24:7 Sunday June 23 2002
While I find Adam Sollitt's release strange given that Welchy has probably played his last game for the club, I also find his anti-Cobblers comments very odd. Does he really believe that he is better than KW?!!!! As for Welch, I have to say that having followed the Cobblers for the last 25 years or so, he id miles ahead of any other keeper we have had in that time. Andy Woodman probably second, I would say.
A Childs View at 19:23:44 Sunday June 23 2002
Hadn't thought of that M - 3 H's does sound much better!! Re my TCMP comment, I was merely suggesting that if TCMP has, through his dealings with the club, close connections with a controversial character the party whips would have his arse quicker than you can say Bernie Eccleston or the Hinduja brothers - Tony has to be careful in the cut-throat world of the labour backbenches!!
In the best interests of the club at 16:28:1 Sunday June 23 2002
LOL @Ray.
Ray at 11:34:11 Sunday June 23 2002
Personally I thought TCMP was there to represent the fans and for no other reason - didnt realise he was there for political image.
M at 10:5:29 Sunday June 23 2002
ChildsView, after I posted yesterday I did think that maybe as the were H's it sounded better on the teletext,Trio od H's still to sign,Welchy would have been an odd addition. Still think he's a must, with Hargreaves and Hunt. I agree Hunter is all NTFC but the others have what we need. Bring on Crewe. Geez I'm bored
A Childs View at 8:6:35 Sunday June 23 2002
Just checked out the unreliable teamtalk - an article there lists Welchy as one of the players still to decide. Perhaps it was simply a clumsy bit of editing on the official site.
A Childs View at 8:6:32 Sunday June 23 2002
Just checked out the unreliable teamtalk - an article there lists Welchy as one of the players still to decide. Perhaps it was simply a clumsy bit of editing on the official site.
A Childs View at 7:54:39 Sunday June 23 2002
...any other team, you simply can't do that in matches when possession may change hands only 50 times. Sven - top priority for 2004!! C'mon the Town - let's get the bloody takeover sorted and start thinking about next seasons football rather than this other rubbish - its getting really tiresome!! You out of contract players - sign the bloody form, now!!!
A Childs View at 7:52:13 Sunday June 23 2002
...why can't TCMP defend this position and retain involvement with the club? It doesn't add up? Ray - can we have a bigger box to type in rather than just the one line? Could you also, say, triple the amount of space for a single post? It'll still stop those twats of old from doing loads of lines and make it much easier to type, read and avoid bad spelling and grammar!! See what you can do!!! Close season is so dull - even the world cup isn't a substitute. Watched England v Brazil whilst on hols in Florence - god are the Italians mad about the refereeing decisions that went against them!!! England were poor I felt, despite one good performance against the Argies. Sweden was awful, Nigeria a non-event and Denmark handed it to us on a plate. Against Brazil we played premiership style footy - when will we learn that at international level, and in the heat, you need to build slowly from the back and retain possession. England lost possession through long passes more than any other team....
A Childs View at 7:46:27 Sunday June 23 2002
...Welchy doesn't sign we need to get 2 keepers. I think we also need another centre half, 2 midfielders if no Hunt and Hargeaves and a winger - that's 5 more players. We could also do with taking a chance on a couple of younger cheapies like Asa again - that paid off and was Willo's best bit of business. Didn't Hodder say, "there is no reason why the deal won't be concluded before Friday (just gone)" - another example of missed deadlines and false promises. Why not say we hope the deal may go through but it could possibly take longer? The pro v anti GDS debate is getting tiresome. I don't think we have a choice so simply need to get on with it - does anyone know where some sensible information about GDS can be found. I particularly likes TCMPs comments, "If GDS buys the club I'll have to walk for personal reasons (dodgy political image) but its fine for the deal to go through." I'm confused, if GDS is ok for the club why not TCMP? If the GDS bid is morally sound, why can't TCMP.......
A Childs View at 7:38:15 Sunday June 23 2002
Good question M - that's exactly what I came on here to try and find out. I've searched a few websites and can't find the answer. I can only think this is a slip up - if he'd have signed we'd have been told (more season ticket sales) and the fact he isn't included in the three makes me think he's already fixed up with another club and we simply haven't been told yet. I could be wrong, we'll see. It looks like GDS is a certainty then - what happened to Fash? Can we have an official statement about about why that bid fell away - I much preferred the WWW option. If Fash was a timewaster can we have it stated - remember, a lot of time and effort went into the process over previous months - have the board simply impatient with the council and decided to go for the less complicated option without the ground? Signings so far seem ok, Lincoln, Stamp and Harsley - desperately want to see Hunt and Hargreaves sign. Sorry Roy - your a Cobblers hero but the other two are more important. If Welchy..
WOW at 22:34:10 Saturday June 22 2002
Be prepared for the biggest week in your clubs history !
M at 18:11:4 Saturday June 22 2002
Anyone know if Keith Welch has signed a new contract or if he has left the club. ITV Teletext only mentions that there are 3 outstanding contracts to be be signed, Hunt, Hunter and Hargreaves. There was no mention of Welch. Has he gone??????
NTFC@2view at 16:16:21 Saturday June 22 2002
Kings of Spin at 11:9:58 Saturday June 22 2002 - Yes, you're right. The bet on England story is down and so is the one about USA v Germany. Why is this?
Nosey Parker at 12:29:37 Saturday June 22 2002
Gareth Wilsher is a a self centered twat............he thinks he is bigger than the club and thinks he is a someone instead of a no one!!!
One Legged Black Lesbian Single Mother at 11:40:39 Saturday June 22 2002
I think Kilroy-Silk should receive a knighthood, he has done some sterling work for my kin
King Of Splunk at 11:38:2 Saturday June 22 2002
Stop your shit and ring the ferkin Club King Of Spin and ask them. When you have an answer let us know ferkwit
Kings of Spin at 11:9:58 Saturday June 22 2002
One conspiracy theory that is not in question and is there for all to see is how the official site leave up news they want you see longer than other items. There has been a number of postings on the official news site and yet here we are on Saturday and the twoo pro GDS stories are still at the top of the list dated 19-6-02 when other news since has been posted and removed. the official site should give us abalanced and unbiased view of what is happening, by spinning the news the way they want us to belive it they belittle the fans and do their cause a great injustice
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! at 4:31:29 Saturday June 22 2002
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!! nothing changes on heere, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
u fool boy at 0:51:56 Saturday June 22 2002
if a year ago someone had said england would play brazil in the 1/4 finals they would been laugh at,so don't be a twat like all the red tops will b and get behind um we did f~cking brillant with what we had.Just ask italy france etc
busy boy at 0:22:55 Saturday June 22 2002
see Gareth's been busy on the official site again, do you think he ever gets bored of talking to himself and answering his own questions? shit performance by england however I am sure ntfc.co.uk will cheer me up, I predict a "ENGLAND THROUGH ON POINTS AFTER SHOW OF HANDS CALLED FOR BY FANS" read Barry Stonhill Views on how the German handball was in the best interests of American football. Todays poll GDS? or the plague? you tell us which is more popular? and official site Exclusive "TRUST EXECUTIVE EAT BABIES" log on now and hear Gareth debate all these issues and more with himself and his small minded friends and relatives. all this and more......
we want Kilroy, we want Kilroy, we want the grey haired do-gooder. at 17:14:29 Friday June 21 2002
he may be in need of some Just for Men but let me tell you that do-gooder certainly tickles me. Don't let that NTFC@2View hinder your mission Kilroy to shove inane political correct nonsense on football fans the world over.
NTFC@2view at 17:12:54 Friday June 21 2002
"unemployed from Wellingborough. at 17:5:40 Friday June 21 2002" - Get a job then you scrounging bástard. I bet you try in front of the mirror all day to become a penis(erect). And your dim mate below - "You're boring." (I'm correcting your English, not having a go. You are much too stupid to ever reach boring.)
politically correct disabled man who was paid by the BBC to shove my incapacity up your noses before programmes. at 17:9:21 Friday June 21 2002
my aimless wheelchair shuffle is in tribute to Kilroy Silk. How dare you NTFC@2View suggest he is a charlatan.
NTFC@2view at 17:7:48 Friday June 21 2002
The takeover hasn't actually happened, so you may yet get your wish of Stalybridge Celtic on a February Tuesday. Which would be nice.
unemployed from Wellingborough. at 17:5:40 Friday June 21 2002
must admit NTFC @2VIEW, you are a penis (erect) and you take football far too seriously.
NTFC@2VIEW at 17:1:49 Friday June 21 2002
any chance you could get a sense of humour? Kilroy Silk is funny. Your boring.
Watford Friendly at 16:41:3 Friday June 21 2002
I dont live in Town so this may be old news, a Watford fan told me the friendly was off as we were relaying the pitc??
SPIN at 15:33:6 Friday June 21 2002
ie Johnson was ordered by the League to sell his majority stake in Tranmere when he got involved at Everton?
SPIN at 15:31:49 Friday June 21 2002
Nice thoughts Madrid Cobbler. I would add that buying players from Dundee immediately smells of "dodgy deal" to me. Doesn't that remind you of when Peter Johnson flogged Steve Simonsen from Tranmere to Everton (he owned both clubs) for a ridiculous £3 million? Also, are there not League rules about having an interest in other clubs if you have a controlling interest in a club?
Madrid Cobbler at 13:26:47 Friday June 21 2002
I am a Cobblers fan and will always be one as long as there is still a team to support, though I'll probably never feel exactly the same way about the club if the GDS deal goes through. It's clear that some people believe that the club is more important than any personal principles and have produced totally unconvincing defences of GDS past actions to try to justify it. Any money man may have been involved in a dodgy deal or two. To me that's a long way from the numerous, serious allegations and accusations against GDS. Whether or not these are all true, the sheer number of them (in at least 3 countries!!) must mean that the man's past is "seriously shady". Sorry, but I'd rather see the Cobblers in the Conference than sell to this man.
Anon at 10:6:16 Friday June 21 2002
NTFC, "Turd" is one of the many new names of the idiot originally known as Adam , Leicester.
wont get involved at 0:0:3 Friday June 21 2002
for someone who don't want to get involved GDS is doing a fine U-turn on the official site he is busy signing players from Dundee and the gaffer is still on Holiday!! looks like we are going to have a bigger wage bill than Carlsberg
archive at 23:56:43 Thursday June 20 2002
If there was an archive on the official site you could have a field day, comments like "just needs rubber stamping" and "Fash is coming next week, honest" and best of all " we will only sell if it is in the best interests of the club" also if the directors get their loans paid back by GDS will he pay back the £140,000 that the Trust have put in? My guess is that once he takes over and the cheques are in the bank, then the current board en-masse will join Tony Clark and keep well away from the new regime. Also now people have had their fill of trust bashing, they will need someone else to abuse, who's next I wonder?
NTFC@2view at 22:45:2 Thursday June 20 2002
Píss off Turd. You know who you are. I wish I did,.
KILROY SILK, THE GREY HAIRED DO-GOODER at 22:13:54 Thursday June 20 2002
INSTEAD OF WATCHING ENGLAND V BRAZIL, WE SHOULD BE HELPING ASYLUM SEEKERS. INSTEAD OF SPENDING MONEY IN THE PUB WE SHOULD DONATE CASH SO LYING SCROUNGERS CAN DRINK CAPPUCCINO'S AND SMOKE SPLIFFS WHILE THEY CHAT UP 16 YEAR OLD SCHOOLGIRLS.
Anon at 19:15:7 Thursday June 20 2002
I agree. Very.
Anon at 19:14:44 Thursday June 20 2002
Yes silly really.
WSK at 18:47:10 Thursday June 20 2002
i am not wilsher, or anybody else at the club. i wasnt even at the meeting on tues. night, i was at a work function and didnt get home until 10:15 or so. i am sure most people who go to away games would recognise me if they saw me and just because i happen to post sometimes at the sameish time as others doesn't mean we are one and the same, or that we are on the NTFC gravy train
WSK at 18:43:58 Thursday June 20 2002
ATTN. DUSTY WILSHER.
WSK at 18:43:55 Thursday June 20 2002
ATTN. DUSTY WILSHER.
Anon at 18:16:35 Thursday June 20 2002
Silly question, silly answer perhaps.
Anon at 18:16:0 Thursday June 20 2002
Yeah, GdS did it with his own hands. Just like Hitler.
zzzzzzzzzzzz at 18:7:30 Thursday June 20 2002
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
NTFC@2view at 16:11:42 Thursday June 20 2002
Nice sense of humour Big Jim.
BIG JIM at 16:4:40 Thursday June 20 2002
I live in Cardiff, you`ll be okay as long as you keep your mouth shut and colours hidden and don`t stare people out you`ll be okay.......also don`t go flashing your 20 pound notes about as there is not a lot of them in circulation here. I`LL BE THERE AT THE MATCH ON AUG 17th
NTFC@2view at 15:38:12 Thursday June 20 2002
"...being involved with corrupt regimes in some way or another, killing thousands?" Sorry, is it GdS himself that killed the thousands? Just wondered as if yes he'd be useful when Cardiff visit.
Tim at 15:28:17 Thursday June 20 2002
send ITV down the plug hole: www.the-ffu.com/itv
NTFC@2view at 15:26:1 Thursday June 20 2002
"some of THE OTHER BIDDERS, have they really all gone away...?"(My capitals.) Name one!
NTFC@2view at 15:23:9 Thursday June 20 2002
Hotel Ender at 8:30:46 Thursday June 20 2002 - So with a squad of 15, no goalie, no money, no ITV money, relegated but one last year, nobody (else) offering us even a leg-up, you are worried about things going tits up? No chance!
Double Standards? at 13:6:28 Thursday June 20 2002
Not sticking up for Di Stefano but I think Stonhill said that he would also cover the ITV Digital shortfall. As for what else he would spend, again trying to be fair, I don't think any new owner would know until the season had started and it could be seen what additional players are needed (if any). Maybe "Mr Kevan" will work wonders with the players he has already got. I'm still very suspicious about the whole thing, Stonhill now can't sell quick enough and paints a very gloomy picture which tells fans its Di Stefano or nothing and (OK Fashanu is a waste of time but what about some of the other bidders, have they really all gone away just because the free foo, match ticketsd and booze stopped when the season ended (as suggested by Hodder). Fans are used to being treated like mushrooms by being kept in the dark and fed a diet of bullshit but this time its the sweet smell of money which is disguising the smell of the bullshit!
BIG JIM at 12:38:4 Thursday June 20 2002
If any of you are looking for the official transfer list check out http://www.thepfa.co.uk/html/index.cfm and you will be able to see some of the bargains we could have at Sixfields next season. You have to register first
Richard at 12:22:40 Thursday June 20 2002
So when will be get some more official news?
SPIN's Evil Empire at 11:35:4 Thursday June 20 2002
Double Standards - you've touched on a very important point there. Assuming that most people are good-hearted, it's funny how they throw all reason out of the window as long as there might be a bit of money at the end of it, or because they are afraid of what might happen if they don't do it. He's only promised so far to "comfortably cover the overdraft", which is £300 - £400K. Enough to save the club from relegation?
SPIN at 11:26:14 Thursday June 20 2002
Superb comments - Double Standards? at 9:18:42 . Get real Drilling. Let's imagine GDS takes us to the top of the league and crowds rise from 4,000 to capacity. Now tell me that Diamonds theory again. As for the "all successful businessmen have skeletons in the cupboard" theory, what, EVERY ONE of them is accused of being involved with corrupt regimes in some way or another, killing thousands?
The Drilling Cobbler at 10:58:0 Thursday June 20 2002
Whats double standards about supporting a team but wanting that team to have money. People have a go at the Diamonds because there supporters were attracted by it - they did not exist before Max Griggs. An entirely different scenerio.
Double Standards? at 9:18:42 Thursday June 20 2002
Strange how many NTFC fans have had a go at Direones fans for "taking the Griggs Shilling" but are now happy to take the "Di Stefano Lire". Just goes to show how fickle people are. Tuesdays meeting was like watching The Simpsons, when people were just cheering or jeering what was popular. Even Richard "Max Wall" Page, who was described a reverend in the Chron was clapping the statement made by someone that they would accept the devil as chairman if he had enough money.
Hotel Ender at 8:30:46 Thursday June 20 2002
substitute the name GDS for McRitichie - there's very little difference in what has gone on now and then, ten/eleven years ago - Underwood desperate to sell, now Stonhill & Co desperate to sell. Where was GDS when he had the opportunity to allay fans' fears? - he couldn't make the meeting but sent a minion. Where was McRitchie when he had the opportunity? at a dinner/dance and he sent his minion Paul Clarke. Anyone noticing the similarities yet? And when all these people who are saying take GDS' money and to hell with everything else, where will you be when it all goes tits up?, as it surely will, you'll be on here moaning, saying "why doesn't somebody something"?? Open your eyes before its too late.
Pip The Yid at 8:20:2 Thursday June 20 2002
There were others interested in Spurs (David Sullivan for one) and Sugar promised the earth and delivered fuck all. I agree that we were desperate but we sold to someone who said this and that and basically shit on everyone around him. As for that WANKER Fashanu he is the ultimate timewaster he says one thing and loves the limelight!!! I reallly do wish you the best of luck guys but look at the likes of Wigan,Hull,etc ok they are safe now but how much have they spent and done nothing?
NTFC@2view at 8:13:0 Thursday June 20 2002
SPIN, have you started to bleed from the middle of each palm? Before you leave us, come out of denial and you'll find it easier to shout "You 'dons!" with real conviction.
NTFC@2view at 8:7:23 Thursday June 20 2002
OK Pip. The usual question. Would you have been happy to have gone into receivership? Tumbled down the leagues? etc etc. I'll answer for you shall I? 'Our man' IS appointing 3 directors to the Board, so he isn't totally staying away. All of life is a bit of a gamble - this is - but the certainty is that we can't survive without some cash - and NO-ONE has offered us any before now.
Pip The Yid at 7:51:32 Thursday June 20 2002
Hi Guys I thought I would let you know when we had Sugar take over at Spurs.....We to had no money,were on the verge of beleive it or not going into receivership and then the MASSIAH Alan sugar said he was interested in the club. $ years on ok we paid the debts off.......via companys that Sugar ALLEGED was to be involved with (so he wins always) He spent money yes.........but prices went up more then any other club (except Chelsea) and put limits on the manager. This is then he decided to sell once he had milked the club and everything else for his own use. On a smaller version guys you have to ask what this guy wants with your club? If he is anything like sugar you have to realise that money does not cure everything!!! I hope its not the same scenario but they comment about "once I have bought the club I will not step foot there again"............Thats like saying to a bank heres a million pound do what you want with it and mail me when you have done it!!..............I DONT THINK SO?
Anon at 6:51:58 Thursday June 20 2002
Where Are the U.S. Soccer Fans?
Rodders at 23:6:9 Wednesday June 19 2002
If Spin is really serious about his abandonment of the Cobblers then he obviously is not a loyal fan. Look into the business dealings of virtually every 'self-made millionaire' and you will find unsavoury skeletons in the closet. I find it laughable that a Labour MP - any MP come to that - can take the moral highground. This government does nothing but lie/spin. All successful football clubs have rich directors who are not exactly 'whiter than white'. Are you going to stop buying coffee or petrol because of the companies' corrupt dealings? I don't think so..
SPIN at 22:26:39 Wednesday June 19 2002
"And what would you do with a 100grand cheque with your name on it if Mr Di Stefano gave it to you? I think we all know the answer..." Really? I value myself and my integrity at more than 100 grand, believe me.
SPIN at 22:21:32 Wednesday June 19 2002
I don't know where I'll go. Does it matter? If the majority of fans support being taken over by this man all I can say is they are a very shallow, hypocritical bunch.
SPIN at 22:16:6 Wednesday June 19 2002
"Stop mixing politics and football and try supporting the team." What a joke! Who's mixing politics with football? - GdS! Is there a place for morality, just a little bit? You should be ashamed of yourself.
Quote Tony Clarke MP at 22:1:20 Wednesday June 19 2002
The Supporters Trust representative, MP Tony Clarke, said he would resign if the deal went ahead: "People have got their own views, I was at odds to explain my personal reasons for feeling uncomfortable staying on the board of a company with Mr di Stefano its owner, but I think it should take place if Mr di Stefano comes up with the cash.
The Drilling Cobbler at 21:33:46 Wednesday June 19 2002
On the official site, next to each post is the number of posts that person has contributed. To suggest that the club are making up posts is laughable to say the least. Maybe - just maybe - some people do not actually oppose the takeover and share your views? Is that possible? Surely not you are probably saying. The FACT is is that the vast majority of supporters are willing to give Di Stefano a chance to prove himself because the alternative is unthinkable. Regarding the post at 16:46, have you decided which team yet? Do you threaten to strike if a newly appointed manager is not someone of your choice? He's only going to be the bloody majority shareholder,ie the money man. Stop mixing politics and football and try supporting the team. And what would you do with a 100grand cheque with your name on it if Mr Di Stefano gave it to you? I think we all know the answer...
Anon at 21:31:0 Wednesday June 19 2002
"Of course some will use GdS as an excuse to go and watch 1st Division football not far down the A5. They won't even have to feel guilty." Sob sob.
The Answer you wanted at 21:28:38 Wednesday June 19 2002
Lloyds TSB
NTFC@2view at 19:22:46 Wednesday June 19 2002
GdS can just move the account to a Swiss bank - or Banká Srpska , or some such. As long as the búgger's not empty!
JRA_MADCLARET_COBBLERSHIRE at 18:56:43 Wednesday June 19 2002
some of these and or others are GW the only question is which ones, also ntfc@2view The Bank of Scotland did refuse to deal with GDS when he tried to buy Dundee, Who are NTFC's bankers and what will they do?
NTFC@2view at 18:49:30 Wednesday June 19 2002
Of course some will use GdS as an excuse to go and watch 1st Division football not far down the A5. They won't even have to feel guilty.
STALKA at 18:47:8 Wednesday June 19 2002
Re -Dusty Wilsher. The Dustycobb that you refer to was the chap who had a heated confrontation with the acting chaiman of the Trust,he stormed out of the room early ,hence the posting so soon after the meeting.I can assure you that I am 100% genuine,and fortunately I live very close to the ground enabling me to post soon after the end of the meeting.
NTFC@2view at 18:22:22 Wednesday June 19 2002
"DUSTY WILSHER at 18:0:38 Wednesday June 19 2002" So Badge Man was on the Grassy Knoll then! But was he Mafia?
NTFC@2view at 18:6:36 Wednesday June 19 2002
Right. I can just see Nationwide refusing the man a mortgage or refusing to allow him to open a savings account. Business works like that.
DUSTY WILSHER at 18:0:38 Wednesday June 19 2002
It all makes sense now, check the official site, Dusty Cobbler posted attacking the Trust Meeting at 9.59pm last night, the meeting did not finish until well gone 9.30pm, who would have time to drive home get on line type along diatribe and post before 10pm? Unless of course they were posting from the club? at and around the same time that the official news was posted!! Stalka-Cobblershire-WestStandKarl-Driller-JRA etc etc some may be genuine, most are Wilsher having a laugh at our expense, how funny that the same people always respond to the same questions at the same time? Good post Dusty Cobb, what fools we have been
Its back at 17:41:9 Wednesday June 19 2002
the official spin re last nights trust meeting and Barry Stonhill has reapeared after disapearing earlier today, wish I could see them both as It would be interesting to know what was said that should not have been reported and what part was not spun to the right degree
split at 17:34:49 Wednesday June 19 2002
whether you are for or against, the only benifit from the interest of GDS so far is to split the fan base right down the middle, most fans will still follow the club no matter what happens but I foresee more trouble than it may be worth, will Nationwide still want to sponsor us? or anyone else for that matter? perhaps we can run around the pitch with "Milosovich is Innocent" on our shirts
PATHETIC SCRIBBLINGS AS USUAL at 17:28:34 Wednesday June 19 2002
Lets have the man's money, England win world cup, Cobblers dripping with money, perfect really, Its about football not politics!!
SPIN at 16:46:53 Wednesday June 19 2002
No chance of me being a hypocrite and attending matches if GDS takes control. I will go and watch someone else.
NTFC@2view at 16:19:22 Wednesday June 19 2002
Another question that needs answering. If Barry cannot carry on and no-one else has made an offer, are you happy to see us fold?
The Drilling Cobbler at 15:24:34 Wednesday June 19 2002
For those who are still against this deal concluding more moral reasons, I have 2 simple questions that I would love to see answered. 1. Will you be attending matches at sixfields next season? 2. Will you be celebrating goals scored by players who have arrived on the back of GDS's wallet? I look forward to reading your replies...
NTFC@2view at 15:5:38 Wednesday June 19 2002
"Puzzled at 12:16:47 Wednesday June 19 2002" Perhaps he just has a more generous spirit than you? (No dear, I didn't say he HAS, just that he might have!) As for the kid who went to school with him - I bet that was revenge for having his conker broken!
NTFC@2view at 14:58:37 Wednesday June 19 2002
"SPIN at 10:30:11 Wednesday June 19 2002" When that funny old chap Barnwell worked on 'money we could afford' and brought in Trott, MacNamara, Curtis etc, anyone who doesn't agree with Stonhill's quote "If we had not paid out what we have then we would be playing Conference football" would spin in their own grave.
Anon at 13:46:10 Wednesday June 19 2002
Stonhill's being overpowed by the smell of GDS money. And Gareth forget the line "only in the best interests of the club", probably why that section got pulled.
OOH ERR MISSUS at 13:25:3 Wednesday June 19 2002
Now the official board has removed Barry Stonhills comments from the official board and just posted the story from GDS's reps. Is their dissent in the camp? has Gareth overstepped the mark (by about 4mile!!) or did we all dream it, another example of mixed messages from the club
A quote I would like to see at 12:39:41 Wednesday June 19 2002
"If it had not been for Kevan Broadhurst working miracles, working with both arms tied behind his back, then we would be playing Division 3 football".
Anon at 12:37:19 Wednesday June 19 2002
"There is no need to change the Board of Directors, as they have done a marvellous job". The same people that led us into administration, out and almost back in?
Puzzled at 12:16:47 Wednesday June 19 2002
Funny how someone who say's he was racially abused as a child in Northamptonshire claims that he wants to put something back into the area. If that had happened to me the only thing I would want to put back would be a bucket of anthrax flavoured water in the River Nene!
Bexxy at 11:49:0 Wednesday June 19 2002
OHHHHH!!!! Its all too confusing for me!!
Quote of the Day at 10:38:17 Wednesday June 19 2002
"Whatever you saw happen at other clubs doesn't matter. This is Northampton Town" !!!!!!!!!!!
SPIN at 10:35:46 Wednesday June 19 2002
"There is no need to change the Board of Directors, as they have done a marvellous job".
SPIN at 10:35:41 Wednesday June 19 2002
"There is no need to change the Board of Directors, tas hey have done a marvellous job".
SPIN at 10:33:34 Wednesday June 19 2002
"A majority of supporters there felt strong enough in their support of the takeover for an unofficial show of hands to give a big thumbs up to Mr Di Stefano's proposed takeover".
SPIN at 10:31:7 Wednesday June 19 2002
"(GDS) is a character and the world needs characters"
SPIN at 10:30:11 Wednesday June 19 2002
"If we had not paid out what we have then we would be playing Conference football"
Anon at 10:26:51 Wednesday June 19 2002
Ray, isn't it time for another TCMP Q&A?
Spinning around at 10:26:11 Wednesday June 19 2002
So estimates range from 20% in favour of GDS to 90-95%? Spin away. Will the real Peter Mandelson please stand up?
The Drilling Cobbler at 10:1:39 Wednesday June 19 2002
Last nights meeting showed that there is a real devide now between the trust(exec committee) and the vast majority of supporters. They have now become a 'closed shop' and DO NOT represent the view of all supporters - just a small band of Tony Clarkes followers. We have no alternative - the club has been up for sale now 'officially' for 8 months and only one potential suggar Daddy is now involved in serious negotiations to invest. Page(who looked like the chairman of the football team in the comic strip 'Striker' out of the sun newspaper) answered all of the questions fielded to him, but admittedly avoided being to specific. As for people being scared to speak up in case they were sued, I did not get that impression at all - Tony Clarke for one claimed that his warrant for arrest was issued by the Suffolk police but could not substantiate it. Both Barry S and Di Stefanos representitives denied this. From where I was standing, I would have said that 90-95% were in favour of GDS.
LH at 10:0:42 Wednesday June 19 2002
Thanks for the feedback. Dissapointed I could not attend as I could of made my own mind up. The Boards opinon / defence seems to be that the best interests of the Club are served by selling to someone with the finances to secure the Club & take it forward and they could be correct in their assumtion. But in my opinion , from the information I have researched , GDS is not a suitable person to own a Football Club . But where do we go from here ? I t looks like it is a done deal , I believe the Trust should continue being a focal point for open debate & monitor & advise on how things develop and you cant do this from outside the boardroom . They need to act as vey much a non executive Director. With Fash I thought It would be a Roller Coaster adventure with GDS truly a walk into the unknown not knowing where we are going and by what means we will try to get there !
more feedback at 9:36:18 Wednesday June 19 2002
I went as well. If we had a choice we could make one, but its a case of any port in a storm. The Board will sell whatever the ballot says, interesting to see the official site makes absolutely no reference to Tony Clarke or Brian Lomax speaking. Accept the change, accept its a gamble, dont walk away.
feedback at 9:27:8 Wednesday June 19 2002
LH I went to the meeting TCMP did attend along with Barry Stonhill (Mr Barry) as GDS's people call him, There were mixed views, someone who went to school with GDS said dont go any where near him TCMP explained his personal reasons for not wanted to be involved, a guy called Page representing GDS (looked like Max Wall on speed) made an arse of himself) not a lot of questions were asked, I think most of the audience did'nt want to get sued, a good summary would be that a lot of people were uncomfortable but felt that we had no other option as we need his cash, some called for a show of hands, the chair said that would not happen as the Trust were in the middle of a ballot, so someone at the back called for one about 20% of those in the roomvoted in favour, the rest of the room took no part, I am in the we havn't got achoice camp, I am unhappy but feel we have run out of options, but agreeing with the comments below the spin put on it by the club on the official site is a disgrace.
LH at 9:7:35 Wednesday June 19 2002
Unable to make meeting. Could someone who attended advise , is it really all Rosy in the Garden or is the Official Site putting its own interpretation on the meeting ? Did TCMP attend ?
Phil at 8:41:47 Wednesday June 19 2002
Are the people who went to that meeting all mad???? How can we be happy with the proposed take over by De Stefanio
NTFC@2view at 8:18:22 Wednesday June 19 2002
'jump? how high?' - surely you haven't found people with the temerity to hold and express views contrary to your own? What ever next? Staying with the Cobblers while you travel to Rushden?
Who cares zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz at 4:5:58 Wednesday June 19 2002
Trust meeting, they are the Anoraks of football, they are not the real Cobblers fans, they are people with boring lives and nothing better to do!!
jump? how high? at 0:2:36 Wednesday June 19 2002
the gds love in on the official site is really sickening, do they think we are all puppets?
were they for real at 23:44:2 Tuesday June 18 2002
after listening to gds's representitive at the trust meeting tonight, it dont seem as if it is tcmp that needs help, what was that bloke on about, the questions were asked but I am still none the wiser as to what the answers are, biggest issue was the number of silent people at the meeting trying to work out what the f&*k is going on, my view was that the pros had there say and the people with real concerns stayed silent because the club needs the money no matter how dirty it is
Anon at 22:23:46 Tuesday June 18 2002
clearly our overworked MPs need longer holidays and shorter sittings so they can get pissed, stay in 350 quid a night hotels and watch the footy live. TCMP might need GDS sooner rather than later.
NTFC@2view at 22:20:52 Tuesday June 18 2002
I don't know how.
Anon at 22:4:56 Tuesday June 18 2002
Come on NTFC@2view, say something controversial!
World Cup!! at 15:51:4 Tuesday June 18 2002
Argentina, France, Portugal and now Italy - cant wait for the Germans to go, dont mind Spain and Brazil and the other Cobbleresque teams!!!
Sean from London at 15:19:44 Tuesday June 18 2002
With Robbie Keane and Duff - just watch us win in Portugal 2004
Sean from London at 15:18:36 Tuesday June 18 2002
Am I Irish? - of course
Anon at 9:19:11 Tuesday June 18 2002
Sean from London - are you Irish
LH at 15:11:45 Monday June 17 2002
Fair play to Barry Stonhill & other Directors , they are prepared to stand & answer questions face to face. Should be an interesting meeting , I am going to try to attend.
Very Bloody Curent at 12:1:15 Monday June 17 2002
Starting with Neil Mole who wonders if the Board are telling the fans the whole truth about the consortium bid and the Clubs financial situation.
Sean from London at 11:16:0 Monday June 17 2002
Great performance from the Irish - it seemed as though Ian Atkins were managing the Spanish team. They played for a 1-0 win and didn't know what to do when we equalised.
s.b.c. at 21:11:19 Sunday June 16 2002
worthless draw to be fixed in favour of large crowds,COBBLERS V DIMONES
s.b.c. at 21:7:57 Sunday June 16 2002
explain yourself you sheep molester
richie fan from nz at 17:38:21 Sunday June 16 2002
i am glad those shit the bed Irish went out on penalties.
anon at 13:42:55 Sunday June 16 2002
whens the draw for the worthy cup
Anon at 13:37:0 Sunday June 16 2002
"NTFC@Awaiting Inspiration at 10:31:26 - A two year deal would have been enough." "NTFC@Awaiting Inspiration at 12:48:44 - a two year contract is more than long enough" Two and a quarter hours you go from enough to more than enough. At least you're not fickle!
anon at 13:36:50 Sunday June 16 2002
can the club not swap the plymouth game round so we can go there on the 26th apr & have a nice weekender
NTFC@2view at 13:12:43 Sunday June 16 2002
You are still being wise after the event. Had he scored about 20 goals for the first 2 seasons he would have paid for himself. You, of course, were one of those who were strongly anti his signing when it was announced - I remember your postings. Many of the rest of us remembered him against us around Boxing Day and were excited at the prospect of him partnering Jamie, without knowing, as you did, that it would all go wrong. I'm also horrified to find that our club is losing money. Of all the clubs in the Prem and Nationwide, we're the only one doing so. Perhaps if we played better football, scored more goals and got crowds that a town of this size should get, we might make a few pounds.
NTFC@Awaiting Inspiration at 12:48:44 Sunday June 16 2002
Fuzzy logic. I suggest a two year contract is more than long enough for a player who is 30+. NTFC@2view translates that into me predicting the demise of ITV Digital. Bizarre!
NTFC@Awaiting Inspiration at 12:47:1 Sunday June 16 2002
What's the ITV money got to do with it? The club was losing money BEFORE all this. Handy to blame ITV when we were at least £1 million in debt prior to that saga. And why did he end up at Darlington in the first place? Because he had lost his pace (and some would argue, desire) and Division 3 is clearly his level! This club should never be buying 30+ year olds on the way down. At least Broadhurst is wise enough to know that.
NTFC@2view at 11:41:42 Sunday June 16 2002
That was his highest achievement was it? Darlo I mean. He hadn't been anywhere alse and scored? He didn't, for example, average a goal every 3 games BEFORE his Darlington episode? (450 games 150 goals). I'm surprised you aren't employed by the club with your uncanny ability to know the exact moment that a player has passed his usefulness to us. And how you were able to forecast that the ITV money would dry up with still a year to go on Gabbi's contract - well, you amaze me! (Win the lotto last night again I suppose? Perhaps you could buy the club now.) Clown.
NTFC@Awaiting Inspiration at 10:31:26 Sunday June 16 2002
"continued his previous scoring record"...that was in Division 3. And was he really going to get better at 30? A two year deal would have been enough.
NTFC@2view at 9:6:20 Sunday June 16 2002
'Anon at 22:55:38' LOL. 'Like many others I follow NTFC because they are my local team...'
NTFC@2view at 9:3:14 Sunday June 16 2002
About my 'name'. I started on a board - later to become 2 view - and chose NTFC as my name so I didn't have to keep answering 'what team?' queries. When I started on here I used my same name, plus 'at 2view'. It písses me off that people change 'names' so I've kept it. As to, in particular, Gabbi. If he'd continued his previous scoring record, you would never have queried his pay - and you set the salary BEFORE the signing, not at the end of a season or two. And 'greedy' is not asking for a wage and getting it. That's probably what Roy Hunter is being - 2 years on wages without a kick and now not accepting his present offer.
richie fan from nz at 6:1:52 Sunday June 16 2002
any news on whats happening to welchie.
richie fan from nz at 5:54:5 Sunday June 16 2002
anon @ 16:3:45 good points.but do we have 100% proof di stefano is what they say he is.there are some people in high places got some dodgey mates, but it does not mean there crooks.charles manson had to be defended in law of court does not mean his lawyer is a supporter of charles manson.
NTFC@ at 23:5:10 Saturday June 15 2002
GDS is doing a Michael Knighton.
NTFC@Who Started the Silly Names, Huh? at 22:59:13 Saturday June 15 2002
Good point Anon at 21:58:51 . Of course it was a couple of bright sparks on the Board that thought that paying GabbiaGreedy thousands per week would be enough to stop us "struggling". And then there was Zimmer's 2 year deal "for services past". The decision not to insure certain players against injury. And GDS is apparently happy to let these guys carry on in some capacity! Instead of squandering hundreds of thousands, we'll start squandering a few million instead HUH? And still we won't have a ground.
Anon at 22:57:6 Saturday June 15 2002
......as for the fixture list, yes a bit tricky and if we can end the first month clear of the bottom four that will be a good start,
Anon at 22:55:38 Saturday June 15 2002
The fact is that NTFC has struggled for most of it's 100+ years. I'm not fed up with that and when some success does come its all the sweeter. Like many others I follow NTFC because they are my local team, if I wanted more glory etc. I'd be heading up the M6 to Old Trafford every other week.
NTFC@2view at 22:10:5 Saturday June 15 2002
We always struggle comrade! Aren't you just a tiny bit fed up with struggling? And where will we be after your 'a season or two'? Have you seen the new season's fixture list?
Anon at 21:58:51 Saturday June 15 2002
The club can stay afloat based on existing income, we just have to accept that we may struggle for a season or two until the crazy contracts awarded to some players have run out
NTFC@2view at 21:25:54 Saturday June 15 2002
Silly Name- why the huh? Did you not understand the post? Anyway, how about he can't keep the club afloat any longer? Is that possible? No money from ITV etc. Possible? Then selling to someone who can would be in the best interests of the club. Wouldn't it?
Nosey Parker at 21:13:50 Saturday June 15 2002
What a shit pub the Auctioneers is in town........no England shirts allowed shit pub dont deserve customers!!!
STALKA at 19:4:58 Saturday June 15 2002
GDS through the official message board, has invited all interested supporters to attend the open meeting on Tuesday the 18th June at Sixfields.Everyone has the chance to air their views in a civil manner.
NTFC@That Site Got Shut Down Ages Ago at 18:57:50 Saturday June 15 2002
http://boards.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=964&p=16&style=1&forumId=4500&action=1&replytoid=2138357658
NTFC@That Site Got Shut Down Ages Ago at 18:56:27 Saturday June 15 2002
"Stonhill doesn't sell - bastard!" huh? I'm quite happy for him to face the consequences of his own mistakes. Having said that, selling out to someone like GDS and claiming it to be "in the best interests of the club" would be a fitting end to his tenure really.
Anon at 16:3:45 Saturday June 15 2002
Two rights don't make a right.
richie fan from nz at 15:13:34 Saturday June 15 2002
if di stefano does buy the club and puts a few bob into it and we get promoted and then get promoted again what are you going to think of him then....?
NTFC@2view at 10:4:36 Saturday June 15 2002
Stonhill doesn't sell - bastard! Stonhill sells - bastard! Say it all really.
Nat at 23:40:33 Friday June 14 2002
I'm going to the costa del sol tomorrow and I know there is a Cobblers pub there, please can someone tell me where it is ASAP!!!! Thanks! UTC, FTP
moany from the west at 21:27:55 Friday June 14 2002
its easy for us to say dont sell lets struggle on but in all honesty a disastrous season for us as supporters would be unthinkable as stonhill and co.i think if we are to get this adamant about no sale we should at least be talking of substantial cash raising schemes and i dont think the odd car boot sale will suffice.how many of these people who say dont sell at any cost will beprepared to pay £17 for dr martins football in three seasons?
Could it be? at 21:23:29 Friday June 14 2002
Could it be that GDS wants the Club for money laundering purposes? (buy a foreign player with dodgy cash - flog him for leigit lolly). Could it be that councillors KNOW this and are admitting it in private? Could it be that they see Fashanu as a just as much of a crook as GDS?
Vince at 21:3:19 Friday June 14 2002
LH, I suspect that they are aware of whats going on but if you do ask for their views it would be very interesting to hear their response.
Anon at 20:3:3 Friday June 14 2002
so what does it say STALKA? So what if you have to log in? You're still more or less anonymous. I don't see names and addresses on the official board.
STALKA at 18:22:25 Friday June 14 2002
I find it quite amazing that nearly all the anti GDS Takeover supporters have stated their case on this anonymous message board.,and nearly all the proGDS supporters have stated theirs on the official message board where you have to log in .Says it all really !
DR4E at 17:21:31 Friday June 14 2002
There certainly is no smoke without fire. You only need to look at the furore caused at Norwich when di Stefano started buying up shares and threatening a takeover. You really cannot win with this guy - the absence of an apparent motive for buying the club, his past, no desire to buy the ground....etc etc
LH at 16:49:6 Friday June 14 2002
Schools finished !
Mr Patel the Dentist at 16:36:3 Friday June 14 2002
..hello my friends. I think we Sieks should be allowed to play even if we wear nappies on our heads. Don't let Pakis play though as they are racist.
Darkus Howe at 16:33:50 Friday June 14 2002
I think that, despite this country being instetutionally racist, there should be more of my brothers in wheelchairs playing the white mans game
Christopher Reeve at 16:31:48 Friday June 14 2002
I may be a 'rasberry ripple' but i could wheel around the pitch and tackle defenders with my shagged spine. I agree with the peg-leg Heather McCartney that freaks and window lickers should get a game.
Lady Heather Mills (nee McCartney) at 16:28:46 Friday June 14 2002
As the countrys most famous hopalong, I can only enforce Mr. Silks point that there should be more one legged bandits in the game.
KILROY SILK, THE GREY HAIRED DO-GOODER at 16:26:54 Friday June 14 2002
A wheelchair should be no boundary to league football. Come on Northampton, get some raspberries up front (preferably black)
LH at 16:21:10 Friday June 14 2002
Vince , has anybody asked them ? Have you ? If not I will .
Vince at 16:18:8 Friday June 14 2002
Ask the clubs sponsors how they feel about it, do the sponsors of the England Team, the Football League etc etc want to pay money to a club controlled by this man?
LH at 16:10:9 Friday June 14 2002
Now if you put Di Stefano's past history into the equation , the Guy freely admits to being associated with a regime & people who committed some of the worst crimes in the latter part of the 20th Century. Now explain how being owned by somebody like this can be in the best interest of NTFC. I would rather see us in the Conference and still be able to say with pride that I'm a loyal NTFC supporter. Di Stefano is not a suitable person to own a Football club.
best interests at 16:7:19 Friday June 14 2002
surely ther are other considerations other than money? and even if you dismiss his past (difficult as it is) I still dont think we know why he wants the club and if no one tells us how can we say it is in the clubs best interests
Madrid Cobbler at 16:2:28 Friday June 14 2002
Haven't posted for a long time, but also agree with LH about GDS deal. Some say innocent until proved guilty, but how about "no smoke without fire". Unless convincing arguments are forthcoming the Cobblers will justifiably be seen as moneygrabbers and any further criticism from us of R&D, Premiership, ITV, etc could be interpreted as pure hypocrisy.
LH at 16:1:55 Friday June 14 2002
Taking GDS past history out of the equation , and in my opinion thats not easy.Why is it in the best interest of the Club to be sold to someone who a) Doesnt want the club to own its own ground. b) doesnt want any involvement ie: no interest. c) Has not indicated (as far as i'm aware) waht money will be invested & how it will be spent to take the Club forward.
Anon at 15:54:54 Friday June 14 2002
Its certainly in the best interests of the club to be sold and if GdS is the only offer on the table then it must be in the best interst to sell to him?
LH at 14:56:43 Friday June 14 2002
Richard , you will note from my posting that I dont blame the Directors for selling , it is easy for me to waffle on when I'm not the one owed a lot of money or backing loans. Based on the information available to me , I dont want the Club to be sold to GDS because I believe it is not in the best interests of the Club. If the Board think it is then all I ask is for them to explain why .
Richard at 14:34:16 Friday June 14 2002
That is on the official site as well, good idea pass it round quick so BBC whip ITV in the ratings, maybe then they will get the message.
ITV BOYCOTT at 13:56:30 Friday June 14 2002
WATCH ENGLAND ON BBC TOMORROW. BOYCOTT ITV'S COVERAGE.
Richard at 13:46:18 Friday June 14 2002
What about the losses that the directors are making, who is going to cover them?? If it was you throwing money away, you would want out, why not them??
Swampy at 13:43:4 Friday June 14 2002
I agree with you LH, I'd rather continue as we are than have a defender of terrorism as our owner. Barry Stonhill, Gary Hodder etc, SAY NO TO DI STEFFANO. Having spoke to some of the other fans about this, they are of the same opinion. We don't want anyone like this associated with our Club.
LH at 12:50:46 Friday June 14 2002
On my understanding of the current situation I cannot see how selling to GDS is in the ' best interests of the club'. If the board believe it is ,and this is the reason why they want to sell ,then they should explain how the takeover will benefit the club. I can see how it will benefit the Directors ,being relieved of the NTFC millstone , and dont blame them for this but I think a bit more honesty & transparency would help people make there own mind up. IMHO it just does not add up. A buyer with ,at the least unsavoury , at the worst criminal & disgusting background wants to buy the club and not even watch a game. It's got the logic of the madhouse - at least Fash had a business plan.I really have a bad feeling about GDS. I would rather struggle on for years and feel that it is still our club than sell our soul & dance with the devil. After all it is only a game .
Anon at 12:22:25 Friday June 14 2002
not even Mrs Marco
Anon at 12:14:7 Friday June 14 2002
No one is going to buy Marco.
Richard at 10:51:18 Friday June 14 2002
Any news on the takeover, or on the remaining out of conract players. I am really looking forward to this season, we seem to have signed some promising players, and we look like we have managed to cut the wage bill as well, just need someone to buy Marco.
Anon at 22:38:44 Thursday June 13 2002
I take it TCMP's resignation is in the post and he'll now get back to sorting out the Gypo problem as he promised before he first got elected.
DR4E at 20:19:27 Thursday June 13 2002
Maybe you'll have a couple of warlords up front come the start of the season to add bite and firepower to your team.
railway boys at 13:3:42 Thursday June 13 2002
toot toot, Crewe to be the first victims of the new season, a tough opener but it should let us know from the start if we are up for it. Went on the officil site message board this morning, it seems that if you ask a simple question ie whens the worthington cup draw? the club respond almost at once, ask anything about the takeover? silence. also GDS tells us all its sunny in Rome but when he gets a tough question he reverts to abuse, listened to the radio bit below, cant work the fella out, whats his game? certainly aint football. UTC FTP
John Motson at 13:1:9 Thursday June 13 2002
Ian Atkins must be the Italian manager with this long ball game crap!!!!!
Phil at 11:8:2 Thursday June 13 2002
So we are at home against Crewe on the first day of the season. 3 points to start the season off.
boro at 10:16:7 Thursday June 13 2002
what a lovely xmas present 3 points against the scum
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ at 10:13:24 Thursday June 13 2002
PREMIER LEAGUE FIXTURES ARE OUT, WHEN ARE THE NATIONWIDE
Something dont add up! at 9:34:48 Thursday June 13 2002
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bbc interview at 22:45:40 Wednesday June 12 2002
forget the internet searchs you only have to listen to this bloke to know that something dont add up, the question still is why?
MK18 Cobbler at 21:20:48 Wednesday June 12 2002
Just heard the interview. His explanation to the question about never attending matches very unconvincing.
heard it all before at 20:16:10 Wednesday June 12 2002
it just needs rubber stamping, it will be done in 7 days, blah blah blah the club take us for idiots
Richie Fan from NZ at 19:31:23 Wednesday June 12 2002
G-DAY POM'S. IT'S ME THE THICK WALLY FROM NEW ZEALAND. I MAY BE RUBISH AT SCRABELL BECAUSE I SPELL LIKE A TURD BUT MY COMENTS ON THIS ON FOOTBALL ARE REALLY COOL BECAUSE I USED TO PLAY FOR THEM. I WAS CRAP AND AS I COULDN'T READ THE TEAM SHEET I ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS PICKED. THE GAFFA THEN DECIDED TO WRITE TURD ON THE LIST IF I WAS PICKED. SO IF A I SAW TURD ON THE SHEET I WOULD GRAB MY BOOTS AND THEN PUT IN A CRAP PERFORMENCE ON THE PARK. I REALLY WAS A CRETIN CALLED TURD.
dictionary corner at 15:34:41 Wednesday June 12 2002
can't spell definitely what a fool you are
Fool at 14:37:1 Wednesday June 12 2002
snow white and the seven perverts? never coming to sixfields? fool definately
one way of settling it at 13:54:22 Wednesday June 12 2002
people will have mixed views so they should be able to judge for themselves rather than take a lead from others, so without stating my own view (which was formed after listening to following) have a listen, and tell us what you think "cool or fool"... www.bbc.co.uk/northamptonshire/realmedia/020529_cobblers.ram
Up The Argies at 12:54:5 Wednesday June 12 2002
Our Argie bashing rightwing fans wont like this. A new attempt is being made to bring the British Government before the European Court of Human Rights over the sinking of the General Belgrano during the Falklands conflict. A lawyer for the parents of two of the Argentinian sailors killed has filed a new case with the court in Strasbourg. Lawyer Giovanni Di Stefano claims that application was lost on a technicality because it failed to state which relevant law the attack had violated. Mr Di Stefano also said he didn't rule out a private prosecution against three people he described as the "war cabinet" which would include the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. "I am not saying she should be jailed, but I think everyone should apologise to everyone else," he told Ananova. The General Belgrano was sunk on May 2, 1982, resulting in the loss of 323 Argentinian lives. We have a lot of dead people here and no one seems to be bothered. The parents want to know why the ship was attacked."
A Childs View at 12:29:6 Wednesday June 12 2002
It's great to be enthusiastic - roll with it, I'm just getting old and cynical! I suppose I'm thinking back to Marco and Jamie - the prospect of two name goalscorers up top for the Cobblers - on paper that was a major coup but its never really clicked on the pitch for them together. I hope Hunt, Hargreaves and Welch sign - Roy's a Cobblers hero but of the 4 the least important. 2 midfielders signed - makes me think we'll lose at least one of Hunt or Hargreaves - we'll see.
9224 at 12:10:57 Wednesday June 12 2002
A note about Harsley - he managed to score 11 goals playing for the worst side in the country. History repeats itself, we make a couple of pre-season signings and I make the mistake of getting excited about the new season again - someone talk some sense into me please, an optimist is always disappointed!!!
sleep at 12:10:48 Wednesday June 12 2002
then sleep child sleep!!!
Still Yawning zzzzzzzzzz at 12:0:53 Wednesday June 12 2002
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
A Childs View at 11:55:27 Wednesday June 12 2002
From Hodder's last release on the official site it will be GDS who takes over - where has Fash gone? Was he just a timewaster? I'd have much preferred this bid because it also tied the ground in. New signings are of the right ilk - younger players who you would assume are hungry for it. Anyway, the proof for any player will be in the pudding and I refuse to speculate about the genius behind close season signings - lets see what they do! I'm pleased Sammo has signed but fear 2 years may be a little generous - echoes of Frain again, I've always defended John as worth his place, however, this season will be even tougher for him and then one more for Sammo - may be a bridge too far!
history speaks for itself at 10:16:16 Wednesday June 12 2002
I can't remember a time when anyone was stopped from expressing a view, and if you turn up I am sure the floor would make sure you are heard, but will you answer the questions that you have so far failed to answer on the official board or just dismiss them as silly? your lack of answers to eastsider hardly put you in a good light did it?
GDS at 10:8:52 Wednesday June 12 2002
OK I agree "who's the twat now?" but who are you debating?You obviously sit on the floor and not in the Executive who answers your questions?The Trust? who gives an opposite view? You? Democracy requires more than one side or opinion you are very silly and naive
who's the twat now? at 9:55:46 Wednesday June 12 2002
GDS, it's an open forum, you may not understand democracy, nor want to, but an open forum means anyone can turn up even you. Seems its not just the offside rule that you dont understand
GDS at 9:41:12 Wednesday June 12 2002
None of the twats on the Trust have invited me to the meeting.You talk about an open forum you have no idea
Best Interests at 22:42:55 Tuesday June 11 2002
"we will only sell if it is in the best interests of the club" are they having a laugh or what, should it not read we will only sell if it is in our own interests and we get our money back and stuff the good name of the club. evry comment from the club has been shallow and all their promises are but paper tigers, Dave Bowen must be turning in his grave, even Mc Ritchie had a consciounce.
wakey wakey at 22:10:2 Tuesday June 11 2002
Yawn yawn, someone has a go at me and then its "how dare you" fickle or what!! No To GDS!!
Anon at 21:50:7 Tuesday June 11 2002
Go back to sleep Mr Yawn
Pardon me! at 21:23:5 Tuesday June 11 2002
We are all allowed an opinion, if im bored with the moronic comments on here then I can comment on them - so p off! The only credential you need, in my opinion to come on here is to be a Cobblers supporter!!!
Apathy Rules at 20:0:57 Tuesday June 11 2002
if you are so bored and dont want to discuss NTFC bog off and pester another board
Its Official at 19:47:6 Tuesday June 11 2002
Bettys left Seth zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Dont forget the big England match at 19:46:44 Tuesday June 11 2002
Sri Lanka
Harold Hare at 19:46:14 Tuesday June 11 2002
Did you know France are out of the WC, but they never got as far as pulling the chain!
0730 at 19:45:21 Tuesday June 11 2002
Where are the venues for the England match tomorrow
Late offer for the club at 19:44:49 Tuesday June 11 2002
Big Dave with the Breakfast Tie!!!
As Harold Melvin sang; at 19:44:16 Tuesday June 11 2002
Wake Up Everybody!!!
Forgot Tony Clark zzzzzzzzzzzzzz at 19:43:46 Tuesday June 11 2002
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Forgot The Travel Clubs zzzzzzzzzzz at 19:43:22 Tuesday June 11 2002
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Off with his head!! at 19:42:53 Tuesday June 11 2002
Who cares, yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, what will it be next, the Pies, parking, ticketing, brown shoes, the Saints, Direones - yawn!!!
NTFC@2view at 19:42:0 Tuesday June 11 2002
Well our supporters rep is an MP for a centre-right party........
yawn at 19:40:38 Tuesday June 11 2002
get back to your warren, hartly hare
guilty or not guilty? at 19:39:38 Tuesday June 11 2002
ntfc@2view: I read in one national newspaper I think it was the independent, that he was charged with money laundering offences with the white rhodesian government, found guilty and served three years in prison in the uk, does this not count?
Yawn yawn yawn at 19:33:59 Tuesday June 11 2002
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!! Get LIVES!
but ortus at 19:30:20 Tuesday June 11 2002
But Ortus Di Stefano is a politician, and stood for election as an MEP for a right wing party in Italy, so by your own admission we shouldn't get involved with him right? Drilling Cobbler good post, at least it moves the debate onto the "we know he is wrong but is there any other option" rather than we all think he is a nice chap, ntfc@2view your comments would read better if it were not for the fact that not guilty folk rarely have so much posted against them from so many different sources, has he been unlucky or do people dislike him for a reason, if he is innocent why would so many people go to the trouble of discrediting him? oh one other thing if he wont attend games knows nothing about football etc why on earth does he want to buy the club and for what purpose? for someone who doesn't even know the offside rule is it not strange behaviour to try to buy 1st Dundee then Norwich and now the cobblers what is his purpose?
ORTUS at 19:12:29 Tuesday June 11 2002
The proposed takeover is a business deal between GDS and the current board, it is courteous of the club to keep us fans abreast of developments and nice that GDS wants to put 2 trust members on the board.However, it is a business deal first and foremost and really has sod all to do with us . So lets stop slagging GDS off and see what he does. Who are we to judge him on his clientel ,this has nothing to do with the football club, Tony Clark should know better than to say he will resign from the board if GDS takes over,i always thought that we should not mix politics with sport. Lets be patient and pray for a better season to come.
NTFC@2view at 18:55:58 Tuesday June 11 2002
"ANSWERS at 18:21:53 Tuesday June 11 2002". Since when do people have to prove they are innocent? The 'antis' post things like, "He was charged with...." and when asked if he was found guilty they post, "He was charged, FACT". I can just see the 'news items' that might be found. "Di Stefano not guilty of napalming Vietnamese villagers", "Di Stefano innocent of instigating WWII", "Di Stefano fed his neighbours cat last week". Things like that are often to be found on the Net.
The Drilling Cobbler at 18:53:25 Tuesday June 11 2002
Response to 'answers' - Like you., I have concerns but the question really is 'can the club overlook all of his history because of the money involved?' I believe that the answer to this is yes because as I posted yesterday, turning him down would surely gaurantee us conference status in 2/3 years time, subject to Broadhurst continuing to work miricles. No one else appears to be prepared or able to invest the sort of money into the club in order to take it forward, therefore surely accepting his offer is indeed in the best interests of the club - at least in the short term. Without investment, we will very soon be the 2nd team in the county as well as having to compete with 1st div/premiership football in Milton Keynes. NTFC is an institution - no one person can damage its reputation in the long term, think back to 1992 when all of its creditors were stitched up due to administration. Without GDS's money, history could repeat itself.
NTFC@2view at 18:27:36 Tuesday June 11 2002
"sounds familiar at 17:53:9 Tuesday June 11 2002". You'd have had a piss miserable Spring without GdS to 'research', wouldn't you? Would you like to share with what you might have done?
yawn at 18:22:27 Tuesday June 11 2002
The hares back!!
ANSWERS at 18:21:53 Tuesday June 11 2002
one way that the pro GDS lobby could do their cause some good is to stop moaning at messages that file GDS stuff from the net and try and find any good reports and post them, if there are any it will give balance if their are not any then we will know the truth. As someone in the undecided but wary camp I am leaning towards saying no to GDS because all the pro GDS camp seem to do is critisize others without putting up any reasoned arguement to the contrary. If its simply that money talks and that we will take any money whatever its source then say thats your view but please don't try to hide behind sofa and simply say its not true i'm not listening
Still yawning at 18:21:2 Tuesday June 11 2002
and I know that those Cobblers will be there until the day I die!!
sounds familiar at 17:53:9 Tuesday June 11 2002
found these GDS qoutes regarding the take over of the fotball club 1) "I do not want to be involved in the technical side of the club. I know nothing about football. I dont even know what the offside rule is." 2) "if these plans dont come off call me a liar in huge print and on the front page" 3) "I expect and anticipate that I will be the owner of the club very soon, it will be done very quickly"....sound familiar? trouble is this is not GDS circa NTFC message board but GDS talking about Dundee in 1999, the quotes are almost identical. Also interesting was his view on deadlines having said "I'll buy Dundee in Days" the Scottish Daily Record printed 2The Deadline for the buy-out of Dundee Football Club ran out last night" Mr Di Stefano said "Deadlines are only for NATO"
truth at 17:9:32 Tuesday June 11 2002
who knows what the truth is anymore? is it a fact or just a rumour? you better be sure because unless it is 100%cast iron then the drilling cobbler will have none of it
M at 16:50:38 Tuesday June 11 2002
rumour or truth? Hargreaves is off to Reading and Welch to Sheffield Wed's :-((
Anon at 16:38:54 Tuesday June 11 2002
Whos off to the North Star at 6.30 in the morning
Bexxy at 16:35:55 Tuesday June 11 2002
I might be there y'know....
GREAT1 at 16:0:48 Tuesday June 11 2002
Who's joining me down the Moon for a piss up on Saturday.
GREAT1 at 15:59:52 Tuesday June 11 2002
I declare Cobblers Comments the official new home of the Alliance!
Yawn at 15:32:26 Tuesday June 11 2002
"and so sure was he of his victory that the sprightly hare lay under the tree and Yawned" "when he awoke he could hardly believe what had happened" Don't worry my little hare, you are not alone, sleep on like the other mindless morons, after all whats a football club we can always go and watch the dons at MK.
Still dont care who takes over - YAWN!! at 15:25:57 Tuesday June 11 2002
Yawn!!
richie fan from nz at 14:24:49 Tuesday June 11 2002
ireland through 3 - 0 well done.france on the way home and they never scored a goal in 3 games.
richie fan from nz at 14:0:45 Tuesday June 11 2002
the paddys are leading 2-0 looks like that get them through to the next round.
richie fan from nz at 13:57:38 Tuesday June 11 2002
now mr di stef owns the club will he keep broads or go after a high profile coach.
Two Hunts at 13:38:40 Tuesday June 11 2002
If Hunter doesn't sign for Diamonds, I heard the Cobblers Hunt ,could be on his way to the east of the county.
Bye bye Tony at 13:3:34 Tuesday June 11 2002
Hope Mr Clarke's shoes aren't made by Mad Max, else he'll have paid a packet and he'll need 8 years 2 get to where he wants!!
NTFC@2view at 12:14:40 Tuesday June 11 2002
Diamond Plonker, it could be a man currently laying off workers whose families depend on them for their daily needs. Piss off!
BIG JIM at 11:54:45 Tuesday June 11 2002
The news is on the Club website too......also a very good link is http://www.northantsnews.com/
BIG JIM at 11:51:13 Tuesday June 11 2002
IT IS TRUE ARE WE BUILDING A DECENT SIDE OR WHAT........VERY SHREWD MR BROADHURST
TWSP at 11:45:24 Tuesday June 11 2002
from todays Chron - Sammo has signed a two year deal, that just leaves Hargreaves, Hunt,Hunter and Welch. Broadhurst has also signed Paul Harsley an attacking midfielder from Halifax, he scored 11 goals last season, when did any of our midfielders (Hunt, Hunter and Hargreaves)last score 11
Spook......................Slither at 11:45:12 Tuesday June 11 2002
If Di Stefano wants to bring in money and buy the club.....let him....At least he is honest and is letting us know what we`re gonna get unlike Mr Fashanu who has done nothing but give us the big runaround and publicise his WWW company. I believe Fashanu never,ever wanted to buy the club in the first instance. All bravado no Action.
Spook......................Slither at 11:45:11 Tuesday June 11 2002
If Di Stefano wants to bring in money and buy the club.....let him....At least he is honest and is letting us know what we`re gonna get unlike Mr Fashanu who has done nothing but give us the big runaround and publicise his WWW company. I believe Fashanu never,ever wanted to buy the club in the first instance. All bravado no Action.
Spook......................Slither at 11:45:11 Tuesday June 11 2002
If Di Stefano wants to bring in money and buy the club.....let him....At least he is honest and is letting us know what we`re gonna get unlike Mr Fashanu who has done nothing but give us the big runaround and publicise his WWW company. I believe Fashanu never,ever wanted to buy the club in the first instance. All bravado no Action.
Spook......................Slither at 11:45:10 Tuesday June 11 2002
If Di Stefano wants to bring in money and buy the club.....let him....At least he is honest and is letting us know what we`re gonna get unlike Mr Fashanu who has done nothing but give us the big runaround and publicise his WWW company. I believe Fashanu never,ever wanted to buy the club in the first instance. All bravado no Action.
BIG JIM at 11:39:57 Tuesday June 11 2002
COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!
BIG JIM at 11:39:12 Tuesday June 11 2002
B J M. I`m sure I had your E mail/Messenger details and I have managed to lose them.....pleasae clarify?
BIG JIM at 11:37:42 Tuesday June 11 2002
B J M if you are monitoring please get in touch..........
Diamond Geezer at 11:12:35 Tuesday June 11 2002
So whats it to be then? A man with very dubious connections to some of the world's most dangerous men or a man who was implicated in a football corruption trial? The choice isn't even yours! http://www.shareholdersunited.org/northamptons_future_looking_up_a.htm
Phil at 10:44:2 Tuesday June 11 2002
My Friend has told me that his brother told him that Fash has pulled out. Is this true????
WE still DONT care!! at 7:4:51 Tuesday June 11 2002
We just love the Cobblers, and as for all the other stuff, WHO cares - just you MUPPETS!!
Bst at 0:4:55 Tuesday June 11 2002
All talk of takeover appears to be out of our hands no official notices-what happened to theWWW visit?-shame .Hargreaves and Welch (plus others)offered such dismal contracts they may leave out of our hands -disgrace.
Meal Time Talk at 22:48:50 Monday June 10 2002
While out having a meal with my family i hear talk about N.T.F.C on the next table low and behold Mr Stonhill Tuesday 11th June the take over will take place as heard at dinner sold to Mr Di Stefano he is paying off the debts putting funds into the accounts for running costs 2 million for team building he is not intrested in the stadium and his happy to pay 20% seat costs to Council. has the Council has to provide a stadium suitable for the Division that we are in 1st Division is Di Stefano aim. All this will happen 11/6/02 as heard having dinner. (Mr Clarke M.P you better get your walking boots ready) Those Boots were made for Walking ! as stated in the Chro & Echo Good bye Mr Clarke Welcome Mr Di Stefano. Message ends.
Warning at 22:46:46 Monday June 10 2002
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Anon at 22:45:44 Monday June 10 2002
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Something you don't want to see or hear at 22:31:13 Monday June 10 2002
http://www.dms100.org/worksucks
poos at 21:18:6 Monday June 10 2002
Giovanni diStefano was hanged for his part in the Gunpowder Plot. FACT. Do we want a dead man to own us?
AmongST us a shouter at 20:33:23 Monday June 10 2002
why would a jeweller want to buy the cobblers?,can't see much call for claret gold.Also would the strip have to change to gold/silver.At least we could get paul jewel to manage us,it's all a bit weird !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Drilling Cobbler at 20:21:19 Monday June 10 2002
One more thing - next weeks trust meeting should be pretty interesting. I cannot recall a time when feelings have been running so high concerning a Cobblers matter. Let us not forget that we all have the interests of the club at heart. Opinions may vary, but they are all justifiable but from different angles. My own stance is still very much 'middle of the road' - I am neither totally for or totally against Di Stefano becoming involved. I look forward with much anticipation to next weeks meeting when hopefully England will be safely in the quarter finals!
The Drilling Cobbler at 20:11:0 Monday June 10 2002
Facts - what would you do with the cheque(ref my post 17:33)? I hear what you say, like some other contributors to this board, you have been searching the web looking for evidence to prove that Di Stefano is a 'wrong un', but the simple 'fact' is is that he he walking the streets in this country free and he is still allowed legally to continue practicing his chosen profession. Unlike Harold Shipman if he was ever to be released from prison. His military involvements in the past - wether true or false - also have no bearing on wether he is suitable or not to be the clubs new owner. Otherwise we would still hate all Germans/Argintinians/Iranians/Japanese etc. I am trying to judge the man on his standing today - the past as they say is history. I will reiterate that I am sure our current board will conduct enough research before selling him the shares. I am still skeptical but the only alternative is the conference in 2/3 seasons time.
The Drilling Cobbler at 20:10:57 Monday June 10 2002
Facts - what would you do with the cheque(ref my post 17:33)? I hear what you say, like some other contributors to this board, you have been searching the web looking for evidence to prove that Di Stefano is a 'wrong un', but the simple 'fact' is is that he he walking the streets in this country free and he is still allowed legally to continue practicing his chosen profession. Unlike Harold Shipman if he was ever to be released from prison. His military involvements in the past - wether true or false - also have no bearing on wether he is suitable or not to be the clubs new owner. Otherwise we would still hate all Germans/Argintinians/Iranians/Japanese etc. I am trying to judge the man on his standing today - the past as they say is history. I will reiterate that I am sure our current board will conduct enough research before selling him the shares. I am still skeptical but the only alternative is the conference in 2/3 seasons time.
NTFC@2view at 20:2:16 Monday June 10 2002
Now we're moving oops! Someone who hasn't just repeated previous accusations. Please cut and paste some of the article. I've just been offered 493 on google and most are nonsense.
oops at 19:47:10 Monday June 10 2002
a 3 year stretch in Ford Prison UK seems pretty solid don't you think ntfc@2view?
NTFC@2view at 19:46:23 Monday June 10 2002
'I could go on but then no one is listening so why should I bother?'. Are you taking the piss out of 'doubts' by using his phrase?
NTFC@2view at 19:41:17 Monday June 10 2002
Visited google, got the t-shirt and 197000 posts - posted about it back on May 18th amongst others. FACT! (See, posting that word makes me right!) Now I'll take this a bit slowly. You wrote 'he was arrested' etc and I asked, 'was he found guilty?' You wrote 'he was arrested. FACT'. That was not an answer. You have no plot to have lost!
Old Stratford Cobbler at 19:41:10 Monday June 10 2002
Stop Press: Ebay are the official shirt sponsor for 2002/2003! It must be true, John Atkinson has closed the deal!
NTFC@That Site Got Shut Down Ages Ago at 19:27:10 Monday June 10 2002
Similarities between GDS and NTFC@2view? They both try to defend the indefensible. Presumably GDS gets paid for it and does a better job than our mate @2view? I could go on but then no one is listening so why should I bother?
NTFC@That Site Got Shut Down Ages Ago at 19:20:20 Monday June 10 2002
What's wrong with NTFC@2view? Ever visited google.com? All the facts referred to by your favourite contributor can easily found via that route. You really make yourself look a prat by trying to turn facts into accusations because it suits your argument. Do the research, or at least don't condemn someone who has!
facts at 19:12:0 Monday June 10 2002
ntfc@2view non comprenda padre!! have you finally lost the plot or are you so deep in denial that you have started answering answers with questions, or should I say did you enjoy South Africa?
yorkshire cobbler at 18:57:7 Monday June 10 2002
it's official, Sammo has signed a two year contract today. Good luck for the future Ian. Looking forward to the start of the season.
NTFC@2view at 18:54:15 Monday June 10 2002
Well, at least you answered the last bit! The rest - repeat +fact. You didn'y answer my questions. Was Japan nice?
facts at 18:45:47 Monday June 10 2002
ntfc@2view, his arrests and court cases are facts, his milatary rank in the serb tigers is admitted by him (fact) his serbian passport has milosivichs address in it (fact) ask him if you doubt it, he admitted to meeting Paulo Escobar (fact) and no one accuses him of being friends of Hussein he freely admits it (Fact) he is also fond of quoting his great mentor and fascist dictator musselini (fact, even recently in the Independent) Nikecevic was assinated (fact) and GDS commented on his windfall saying "it is what my blood brother would have wanted) (fact) finally I am a cobblers supporter since the early 1960's (fact) and the only reason I bother is that I love my club and do not want to see it dragged through the dirt, enough facts for you or would you like more?
NTFC@2view at 18:35:44 Monday June 10 2002
so his arrests and court cases for fraud were accusations were they?[Real or not? Guilty or not?] His milatary(sic) rank in the Serb Tigers admitted by him was an accusation not a fact was it?[Was he on active service, or did his fiend give him a rank like Princess Anne has one?] Slobadan Milosivich's address on his passport is an accusation, not a fact is it?[Have you seen this passport?] His meeting with Paulo Escobar didn't happen did it? it must have been an accusation not a fact?[Who said he met him?] He is only accused of being friends with Saddam Hussein is he? or did he confirm it was a fact?[That is not a crime.] Was it not a fact that his business partner in Serbia Radojica Nikecevic was assasinated and GDS copped £44m in the will or was that just a wild accusation[Did he contract the killing? Or do it?], I could go on but then no one is listening so why should I bother?[Because it is your mission in life. Are you a Cobblers supporter?]
We still dont care - its just you few!! at 18:31:26 Monday June 10 2002
The Cobblers!!!!!!!!!
Snotts County are saved at 18:29:56 Monday June 10 2002
Its that old tale of the Directors having to dig deep in their pockets
So.... at 17:45:13 Monday June 10 2002
Cherie Blair like GDS? Like she has also defended people accused of terrible crimes? That's where the similarity ends. Since when has Cherie herself been indicted for various crimes and offences across Europe? Are all European government agencies and police forces so corrupt and inept that each time "they got the wrong guy?" Don't make me laugh. No smoke without fire. It makes a nice Jekyll and Hyde story though.
Vince at 17:27:17 Monday June 10 2002
Drilling Cobbler, this is the sort of thing that you can find on the web about Di Stefano - OK anyone can post anything on the web but there are lots of items on different sites it may not all be true but it makes you think. - At least two more Western European countries have Raznatovic in their files: Raznatovic and his partner Carlo Fabianni (known to Serbian public as Giovanni Di Stefano, a businessman) committed three armed robberies and twelve burglaries. Fabianni was arrested, but when he appeared before the court, Raznatovic stormed into the courtroom carrying two guns, like in a low-budget thriller. One he used to threaten the Swedish judge and tossed the other one to Fabianni. Both of them escaped through the window. Italy also knew him well: at the very beginning of his criminal carreer, the Italian police filed two attempted thefts, July 10th 1972, and September 14th 1973, after which there was an arrest warrant for Zeljko Raznatovic
one and the same at 17:21:42 Monday June 10 2002
drilling cobbler, did not one of the current board compare Cherie Blair to GDS? are you one and the same, a director on the board, on the board there an thing
doubts at 17:19:10 Monday June 10 2002
so his arrests and court cases for fraud were accusations were they? His milatary rank in the Serb Tigers admitted by him was an accusation not a fact was it? Slobadan Milosivich's address on his passport is an accusation, not a fact is it? His meeting with Paulo Escobar didn't happen did it? it must have been an accusation not a fact? He is only accused of being friends with Saddam Hussein is he? or did he confirm it was a fact? Was it not a fact that his business partner in Serbia Radojica Nikecevic was assasinated and GDS copped £44m in the will or was that just a wild accusation, I could go on but then no one is listening so why should I bother?
Walter Mitty at 17:14:6 Monday June 10 2002
This GDS guy is trying to outdo me.......
The Drilling Cobbler at 17:13:33 Monday June 10 2002
Doubts - Out of interest could you define them? Explain why you have them and then maybe your posts would have more point to them. Are they concerns attached tou NTFC, or are they moral 'I dont want his money' ones? If tomorrow morning you open your post and in one of the envelopes their is a cheque of £100,000 from Mr Di Stefano, are you going to bank it or burn it? If it is true that this man is willing to ensure our future survival in the football league, then what is the problem in giving him a chance? Cherie Blair has defended some scum in her time, what are your views on her husband being our prime minister? Mcdonalds used to fund the IRA but are you saying that neither yourself or your family has ever eaten a Big Mac? Share your views and justify them, rather than try to patronise people whose views are different from your own.
NTFC@2view at 16:32:8 Monday June 10 2002
I don't live in Serbia, or Afghanistan or the USA, I live in Northampton. Do you live in Serbia then 'doubts'? A long way to come for home matches. A fact is something proven. I've seen nothing like that yet, just accusations, and many of those indirect. Sorry to disagree with you 'so', but I'm arguing because I don't agree, not for the sake of it. Piss off to Rushden, you won't be missed. And as for the daughter bit, what pathetic nonsense.
doubts at 16:24:14 Monday June 10 2002
Drilling cobbler read your own posts "every single person I know who follows our club" "every single person" must include your friends no matter how small their number, and as for your morals, you have none to question " my view is that the silent majority are generally happy to give the man a chance"?deciding the views of those who havn't spoken is hardly the behaviour of a democrat is it? as for pro/anti postings and anominity given that Di Stefano himself has posted over 30 times on the official site how do we know that a lot of the "give him a chance " crap on this board has'nt come from the man himself?
JDT at 16:9:58 Monday June 10 2002
"Most cobblers fans gloating at Rushden about 'history'. Now one character with a controversial past promises them the earth and they'll gladly trade their once-sacred history!" Are we trading our history? Trading it for what? And as for people saying we are suddenly on our way to the prem, I am yet to see one person who seriously believes that, (at the moment any way) . I dont think we are on our way to the prem, but I do now think we have a chance of staying up this season!
The Drilling Cobbler at 16:3:22 Monday June 10 2002
Doubts - where in my last entry did I suggest that I had only canvassed my friends about the matter? I wrote 'people I know' - ie, loose associates such as people down the gym, people I have come accross in pubs etc. Most of my friends are not actually Cobblers supporters, but out of those who are informed and who understand/like football in general, they too feel that it can only improve our current standing. Do not question my intelligence or my morals - you do not know me - but then again I doubt you know Mr Di Stefano either! As for my own doubts, they are generally doubts I would have of any new prospective owner. Unfortunately hinesight is not available, however with the current level of funding available I see no other option available. My view is that the silent majority are generally happy to give the man a chance, I reiterate I have yet to come face to face with anyone who shares your own excessively strong anti views. I trust Hodder & co to make the right decision.
So... at 15:22:51 Monday June 10 2002
NTFC@2view. "So what's wrong with prostitutes?" You got a daughter? How much? Oh, but that's different.......
So.... at 15:20:29 Monday June 10 2002
doubts at 15:6:57, good post but you see the contradiction? Most cobblers fans gloating at Rushden about 'history'. Now one character with a controversial past promises them the earth and they'll gladly trade their once-sacred history! Anyone who thinks we're suddenly on our way to the Premier on the back of a few promises should look at the history of our own club and just about every other club in the second and third division. Not to mention GDS' own history.
So.... at 15:10:26 Monday June 10 2002
OK forget about the history bit. I'm going to base my support purely on future prospects. Anyone else going to Irthlingborough? NTFC@2view you clown! Always arguing for argument's sake. You don't even see the contradictions in what you write!
doubts at 15:6:57 Monday June 10 2002
so everyone has there doubts but nobody is prepared to speak out through fear of upsetting the great saviour, any money will do from anyone, the only prostitution being purpotrated here is that of the club over 100 years of local history sold out to whoever can pay the current directors their loans back, drilling cobbler I am not surprised that all your friends agree with you, lets just say "like minds" and be done with it. NTFC@2 view, I dont think you would know a fact if it hit you between the eyes, just thank your lucky stars you do not live in Serbia or else you may think differently of GDS, rather a crap club in the 2nd or 3rd than the leper of the nationwide league, and as for posting anonomously are you not doing the same? The only public views on this have come from GDS, Barry Stonhill and Tony Clarke its about time the debate was widened
Ruskington Rocky at 14:55:44 Monday June 10 2002
Who really cares a sh+t, most of us are only interested what happens on the pitch, I dont care who takesover bar Mad Chris from Old Stratford
NTFC@2view at 14:48:30 Monday June 10 2002
Look here 'ashamed of your spelling and punctuation', the articles were almost all by the same person posting unsubstantiated 'gossip' without a proven fact. He almost certainly wasn't a Cobblers supporter but someone with a political agenda of his own. So what's wrong with prostitutes? It's not as if they're solicitors!! Or estate agents. You get what you pay for. As for you 'so' - are you sure you're not 'ah so' - or something sounding like it? The man said he didn't want to remain a crap club and you tell him to look at the past. He's talking about and looking to the future you dim sod!
The Drilling Cobbler at 14:25:40 Monday June 10 2002
to put 'their money where their month is', openly discuss his plans on the web, give out his phone number and e-mail address to those who wish to speak with him directly, whilst at the same time probably saving us from almost certain relegation next season. Beyond that is almost unimaginable. I can confidently say that the'anons' who come on this site bleating about his so called crimes have never dared speak with him directly about their concerns, and in many cases are probably not even Cobblers supporters. Every single person I know who follows our club seems to be of the opinion that providing his intentions are honourable, the way he earns his living is of no relevance providing it is legal and he does not bring the club into dispute. Like most, I too have my own doubts about him, but I am prepared to give him a chance and my support until he gives me reason not to. So far he has given me every reason to believe that success may well be just around the corner.
The Drilling Cobbler at 14:16:30 Monday June 10 2002
The club has now been officially up for sale for some 8months and unofficially for an eternity. One by one we with have seen prospective investers gain and lose interest, yet many people insist that the club should stay totally clear of the one and only person who is seemingly prepared to invest a large sum of money into the club. Whilst I do not have blind confidence of the law system in this country, I do have enough to feel that if Di Stefano was the 'scum character' and some suggest he is, he would probably no longer have his freedom and would certainly not be able to practice his profession. We have all read about his alledged antics on the web, heard ramblings from the trust and in paricular Tony Clarke, and the various concerns of a number of supporters. But lets not forget that the man is of local origon, is worth 300million pounds, and wants to spend some of it on the cobblers! Regardless of what our opinions of the man are, there is no one else at this stage who seems willing
So... at 13:28:37 Monday June 10 2002
haha that's brilliant "some of us dont want the club to remain a crap 2nd/3rd div club!". Take a look at the club history? You're supporting the wrong team.
Anon at 12:43:21 Monday June 10 2002
Turning a blind eye, showing a yellow streak? Dont tar all of us with the same brush, some of us actually wanted GDS to takeover, some of us dont want the club to remain a crap 2nd/3rd div club!
ashamed at 12:22:22 Monday June 10 2002
so gds gets the cobblers for a song and cobblers fans show their yellow streak by raising nothing but a wimper. iremember reading this board a few weeks ago when article after article denounced gds and his life history, now it seems we are all trying to make out its not there. dont worry when it all turns nasty the same wankers who heap praise on gds will soon condemnn him, they will probably also blame the trust for not speaking up, turning a blind eye is the cowards way out, I shall go to the trust meeting next week and make my view known publically. GDS NOT IN MY NAME
Andre Drazen at 11:54:52 Monday June 10 2002
I don't take kindly having mine and my brother's business dealings debated on here. If GDS cannot succeed for us, he wil be dealt with. Remeber waht happened to Kevin Carrol? We have a contingency plan. Also, if someone could tell me where Bauer and Senator Plamer are it would save my brother and I a lot of displeasure.
So.... at 11:39:14 Monday June 10 2002
If everyone took the same attitude as the Cobblers, there would be prostitutes all over the streets. "Don't care if it's dirty money because we're broke!" Go and dance with the devil and see where it gets you. Respect isn't on that list.
Nosey Parker at 10:11:47 Monday June 10 2002
If he dont buy it we will become another Notts County..................think about it?
AH-SO at 9:26:14 Monday June 10 2002
Helen, you assume that cobblers fans are just average and not able to rise out of the shit that others swim in, seems to me that the right wing tendancy that exists at Sixfields are having this there own way whilst decent people with a consciounce stay silent, well its time to stand up and be counted, i dont want our club taken over by a fascist with blood on his hands and in his wallet, even the poll on trivals net shows a split over the Di Stefano bid, supporters can't close their eyes in the hope that they can speak after the act and say oh dear! I wish we had been told. so cum on real cobblers fans stand up and be counted or swim in a pool of shite its up to you
Troy at 6:54:1 Monday June 10 2002
Helen you sound like a nasty jealous girl making such comments about other organizations.
Anon at 23:48:6 Sunday June 9 2002
Don't you think it's about time the record was changed over this takover business? If it was going to happen it would have done by now
Rufus at 22:49:1 Sunday June 9 2002
Go on girl A female footie fan with brains and attitude I blame Andy Gray!
Helen at 22:44:20 Sunday June 9 2002
So - You assume that the average football fan will understand the connotations if Di Stefano buys in. Most won't care and those with right-wing tendencies (and I don't mean Tom Finney) will be sorry he hasn't bought in to their club. Most hated club in the country will continue to be Man U, most hated club in the county will continue to be the village people, most hated club in the UK will continue to be Cardiff. So, SO - What's your point?
So..... at 22:13:44 Sunday June 9 2002
on 01-07-02 you officially become the most hated team in the league? Think about it.
War Pig at 21:58:46 Sunday June 9 2002
Sounds like a bunch of fairies wearing boots!
A voice aMONGst the crowd at 15:56:49 Sunday June 9 2002
Cover bands playing Ozzy stuff? Must be fantastic. Can I join in???
aMONGst us a shouter at 10:9:28 Sunday June 9 2002
who cares i like cover bands copying their idol ozzy and being sad,um not sad very sad
M at 19:56:59 Saturday June 8 2002
figure of speech I think
Anon at 18:54:26 Saturday June 8 2002
Moving on to where?
NTFC@2view at 16:21:21 Saturday June 8 2002
I hope it is too. It would be nice to 'move on' as a club. Being Cobblers means being pessimistic though!
M at 15:20:9 Saturday June 8 2002
urgh no that's just my initial. Sorry to shatter any illusions. Still good news I hope. Finally we have an investor.
NTFC@2view at 11:27:57 Saturday June 8 2002
M? Are you the guy in charge of Secret Agents?
A Childs View at 10:16:16 Saturday June 8 2002
I'm hungover - I thnk!!
A Childs View at 10:15:25 Saturday June 8 2002
Yeah - great to see a Cobblers flag there!! Hinckley division of NTFC fans I think - Gary from Leicester's flag I think!! I nearly welled up when I noticed the flag, with a Cobblers presence and England playing in Red I knew we'd win - the white is to too much like surrender!!! I still think Sven should swap James for Welchy. Sinclair has made the left mid slot his for the next game I think.
M at 7:7:51 Saturday June 8 2002
so 01-07-02 is the date of completion. Who's scared now?
***Erratum*** at 21:55:33 Friday June 7 2002
Question: "So who noticed the Cobblers flag at the game today???" Answer: I did, I noticed the scum one behind the goal on the right!
JDT at 18:52:21 Friday June 7 2002
I did, I also noticed the scum one behind the goal on the right!
Hotel Ender at 18:13:33 Friday June 7 2002
So who noticed the Cobblers flag at the game today???
dld at 17:51:6 Friday June 7 2002
yes well done and d.l.d
Sean from London at 17:45:21 Friday June 7 2002
As part of the peace process I would like to say "Well done England"
d..............l...............f**king>>>>>>>>>d at 16:59:25 Friday June 7 2002
thats the one 4 meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
1-000000000000000000000 at 16:46:58 Friday June 7 2002
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dld at 14:51:11 Friday June 7 2002
D.L.D THATS THE ONE FOR ME ME ME ME D.................L...........................D..........................
BIG JIM at 20:47:23 Thursday June 6 2002
B J M if you are monitoring, this is the new e mail address !!!!
BIG JIM at 20:47:23 Thursday June 6 2002
B J M if you are monitoring, this is the new e mail address !!!!
Vince at 19:32:21 Thursday June 6 2002
Northampton Town Supporters Trust will be holding an Open Forum in the Platinum Lounge at Sixfields Stadium on Tuesday 18th June 7.30pm for 8.00pm start.
Jesus was b4 your time at 17:2:34 Thursday June 6 2002
but u remember him, so u should remember Terry B and Frankie L
Anon at 15:25:5 Thursday June 6 2002
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Anon at 15:24:37 Thursday June 6 2002
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Anon at 15:23:58 Thursday June 6 2002
From ntfc web site - view as source :-
Paul S at 15:18:9 Thursday June 6 2002
Multiple stuff - Yeah I actually do know what an attacking midfielder is - just haven't seen one play for the cobblers for ages. Sorry Terry Branston before my time - any idea why he should appear with the rest of the current squad in the keyword list? Is his grandson/son in the youth team?
richie fan from nz at 13:46:51 Thursday June 6 2002
terry branston played for the cobblers in the 60s.he was a defender.was captain a few times and i think he broke his leg very bad.
Enri Sent off at 13:31:55 Thursday June 6 2002
So who are the best teams in the World Cup, ive not seen any team that good yet - apart from The Irish
Phil Cavener at 13:1:27 Thursday June 6 2002
Paul S at 12:44:43 - What's an attacking midfielder? ****** It means he's like Lee Bowyer and Dennis Wise. Jonathan Woodgate and John Terry are also termed as "attacking defenders" are also
Ady Mann at 12:56:49 Thursday June 6 2002
It's a bit quiet on here innit?
Terry Pickle at 12:51:33 Thursday June 6 2002
Who is he? well you must be a sh%t supporter!! or taking one! Next youll be asking who Frank Large is!!
Paul S at 12:47:5 Thursday June 6 2002
Does anyone know who Terry Branston is? On the official web site pages the keywords list the players and include said Terry Branston is amongst them
Paul S at 12:44:43 Thursday June 6 2002
What's an attacking midfielder?
Paul S at 12:44:20 Thursday June 6 2002
From ntfc web site:- By trade I am an attacking midfielder and that is the role I hope to play at Northampton Town.
Paul S at 12:44:16 Thursday June 6 2002
From ntfc web site:- By trade I am an attacking midfielder and that is the role I hope to play at Northampton Town.
Paul S at 12:43:35 Thursday June 6 2002
From NTFC site:- Greg Lincoln signed on the dotted line to become boss Kevan Broadhurst's second signing of the summer
Anon at 15:7:33 Wednesday June 5 2002
See we have made another signing
Eire 1-1 at 14:20:23 Wednesday June 5 2002
An Ian Atkins style result!!! Well done the Irishhhhhhhh
USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at 12:21:52 Wednesday June 5 2002
South Koreaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
NTFC@2view at 22:21:42 Tuesday June 4 2002
It's a difficult one I admit. I keep looking at who we have on our books and what division we are in and I'd rather have a mystery than a certainty!
Who Cares at 19:53:50 Tuesday June 4 2002
Its just another day in paradise supporting the Mighty Cobblers
Maggie at 18:16:20 Tuesday June 4 2002
Nothing new in the Dick Underwood saga NTFC@2view, it's well known he was leaking cash big time and flogged to an unsuspecting McRitchie. But surely there is something about Di Stefano's interest that just doesn't quite add up? He wants everything to stay as is, he doesn't want the ground . . . yet, and doesn't even want to watch a game. Forgetting all about his past for just one minute, why does he want to buy the Cobblers?
momgmomg at 16:38:28 Tuesday June 4 2002
momgmomgmomg even the Koreans/japs look better than us!!!!!!!!!!!
Gilly at 16:0:25 Tuesday June 4 2002
Swing your chicken....................................
richie can you spot the mistakes? at 14:56:57 Tuesday June 4 2002
"could be easyer than picking the best best hollwood." A most delightful sentence from richie at his best. Did someone spike his drink?
richie can you spot the mistakes? at 14:55:12 Tuesday June 4 2002
go and write "debt" and "Rivaldo" 100 times each you fool.
richie fan from nz at 13:12:9 Tuesday June 4 2002
picking a winner of the world cup could be easyer than picking the best best hollwood.ronaldos one comes close to picking up an oscar,hope he gets a 2 match ban....
richie fan from nz at 13:3:46 Tuesday June 4 2002
teamtalk allso says there is a lot of buyers interested as it is a club with low dept.who the hell are they.???
Nosey Parker at 23:49:14 Monday June 3 2002
Friday is D day for England ...............gonna kick off again on the Welly road with the Pakis again remember you heard it here first!!!
NTFC@2view at 18:9:4 Monday June 3 2002
Bloody hell screwed, you're not happy, are you? I take it you're a trust member? Anyway, don't you remember Derek Banks? Great bloke, 'gave' us Carry and Morley, Hill etc., so why do you only remember the geezer that got it wrong? And I was told, and I genuinely know nothing about it, that McRitchie was set up 'big time' by the previous chairman - no names mentioned. The Trust are decent chaps BUT in today's world decent chaps don't storm to Division 1. Putting in 'Gabbi's wages' over a period of a dozen or so years is nice but.....And blood money. Is that what British firms earn that sell arms, including mines, to foreign parts? And England are shite as well!
screwed at 16:2:31 Monday June 3 2002
everybody has screwed us over the last 6 months except the trust and all we do is give them grief, when it all go's wrong we will scream "come on trust , sort it out , but after all all the grief that scumheads give them on this board who could blamen them if they said "bollocks you sort it out, just ask your old fascist friend Di Stefano to spend his blood money on making us a great but hated side! sell out if you wish but some of us remember 1992 and feel thayt there is too much "shut your eyes deny any responsibility crap on this board " remember ignorance of the facts is no excuse after the shit hyas landed.
Ruskington at 12:11:53 Monday June 3 2002
That is the best area in Northampton, accepting its 68 miles to the town centre and more importantly 76 miles from Old Stratford
Nosey Parker at 11:29:54 Monday June 3 2002
The article on teamtalk (below url) really does sum up what a timewasting tosser Fashanu is........he has strung the club,fans everyone along for months I now think its time the club say make a DEFINATE offer or piss off back to Nigeria and watch the team pimps,muggers etc get knocked out the world cup?
y can't we find a buyer at 11:3:26 Monday June 3 2002
At this point in time i don;t care who takes us over if osamah bin laden wanted to give us the dosh i would be happy. These meeting the board have been havng, do they go in with "PLEASE DON:T BUY US" tattoed on to their heads
shock horror at 9:43:27 Monday June 3 2002
http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/Team_News/0,1562,108,00.html - thats the excuse he wanted.
sarnoonthefishcake at 23:19:20 Sunday June 2 2002
oooooooooooooooer semimong is good for sex with dogs
Semilong .needles in damage done at 22:59:42 Sunday June 2 2002
skag 5er a stab
MONG from mong at 22:50:31 Sunday June 2 2002
kings heath IS an up and coming area if live in a shithole, but i like hunsbury where they think they're posh but there is nothing to do and nobody knows each other, a modern estate
Load of Balls at 22:49:15 Sunday June 2 2002
Long balls, square balls, thru balls, short balls, high balls, hopeful balls, good balls, bad balls. Why can't England learn to play with a ROUND ball ?
Nosey Parker at 22:40:54 Sunday June 2 2002
Far Cotton is scumsville.....St James isnt any better.............come to that most of that side of town is shit!!! Kings Heath is an up and coming area.........................my arse!!!!
mong from mong(plydell rd to thee unknowledge at 22:21:18 Sunday June 2 2002
cotton is full of council scum and junkies true and england play the Atkins way ie shite also blenham rd is a lovely place to live if your a mong
Supporting England at 20:17:52 Sunday June 2 2002
Feels like supporting the Cobblers
Queen went mad! at 19:9:47 Sunday June 2 2002
The Queen disapointed at todays result has set fire to her widescreen telly at Buck Palace
NTFC@2view at 12:46:29 Sunday June 2 2002
Jack Charlton modelled his Ireland style on Graham Carr's tactics, now England are using Ian Atkin's gameplan. But England hadn't got Jamie to chase the longball from the back.
Claret Man at 10:1:3 Sunday June 2 2002
What is everybodies problem with De Stefano he wants to give us money, he says he'll have nout to do with the club and everybody has a couple of dogie mates
richie fan from nz at 8:42:5 Sunday June 2 2002
i cant se england getting past the first round..........that should stirr chit................
richie fan from nz at 8:40:22 Sunday June 2 2002
you are right anon welcome back
Anon at 8:30:58 Sunday June 2 2002
Pull the plug Ray this is a pile of crap..................
Tibker at 20:1:37 Saturday June 1 2002
Have i missed something ?did the trust have a meeting to dismiss Di Stefarno without knowing what the offer was ( if there is one ) or was it just a few speaking for the majority?
Trev the Racist at 18:25:16 Saturday June 1 2002
why is the World Cup being staged in country full of Nips? I was told they have slitty eyes coz they stared at the Atom Bomb!!
The Nudist Vicar. at 18:23:18 Saturday June 1 2002
See me display my holy meat and two veg tonight in the Old House at Home on the Welly Road. I will be a fucking Beano.
Peter the Liar at 18:21:53 Saturday June 1 2002
Far Coitton is nice actually penis and faggot.
Steve the Faggot at 18:21:11 Saturday June 1 2002
I may be a vagina decliner and have and cannot taper turds but I live in Far Cotton and it really is a doss hole full of scum and benefit posse's.
Unemploted Pete from Abington. at 18:19:34 Saturday June 1 2002
I used to live in that hovel Far Cotton. It stunk and the Penis was right, it is full of tossers who claim dole and nick other peoples stuff. Council trash the lot of them. Even the Vicar has tats there. Complet shithole. Well done Penis for pointing that out.
BILLY THE PENIS at 18:16:39 Saturday June 1 2002
HELLO GENTS. I AM A PUBELESS PENIS FROM THAT TOILET FAR COTTON. FULL OF COUNCIL TRASH AND PREGGY 14 YEAR OLDS WHO WILL DROP CARAMELS AT ANY MOMENT.
Big in Japan at 18:0:18 Saturday June 1 2002
If anon has gone to Japan could he hunt down TCMP and ask his views on takeover? seems to me as if TC and the Trust say what they feel and get stick where as Barry Stonhill goes public not on what his view is but just to critisize others, when will the rest of the board get the guts to say what they feel?
richie fan from nz at 16:59:59 Saturday June 1 2002
has anon gone to japan.........
Nosey Parker at 16:56:22 Saturday June 1 2002
Talking of murderers...............What about the people that supply the clubs catering facilties!!! I am sure they must of seen off a few people in there time? We could always give De Stefano a complimentary meal and that would end all this bullshit?
NTFC@2view at 15:13:15 Saturday June 1 2002
NTFC@2view at 18:23:47 Thursday May 30 2002 - At least you've added a bit, but it still doesn't answer any questions.
u missed 1 at 12:42:45 Saturday June 1 2002
wot about atkins he was a mass murder of football
Ther All The Bloody Same and The World Don't Need Them!!!!! at 12:10:8 Saturday June 1 2002
Mussolini, Idi Amin, Adolf Hitller, Ayatollah Khomeni, Maggie Thatcher, Ghengis Khan, Attila the Hun, Gadaffi, Saddam Hussein, Richard Nixon, Pol Pot, Di Stefano . . . .
not lazy at 4:35:55 Saturday June 1 2002
sorry from "www.ess.uwe.ac.uk"
not lazy at 4:34:34 Saturday June 1 2002
some of us are looking, just read this from "Arkan, along with Slobodan Kostovski and Carlo Fabiani, an Italian citizen, are suspected in a 5 September 1979 armed robbery in a bank in Stockholm. Fabiani was arrested and on 11 September 1979, he was taken to the City Court of Stockholm for a court hearing. When Fabiani was taken into the courtroom, Arkan and Kostovski reportedly helped him escape by firing several gunshots at the guards. On 21 September 1979, this same group is alleged to have committed armed robbery in a large department store in Gothenburg before moving on to the Netherlands. Memo to M. Cherif Bassiouni, Chairman, Commission of Experts, from Christina Steen Sundberg, Chief Prosecutor, Stockholm, Sweden, 18 November 1993,"
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