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The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with
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Editorial
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Future UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guests
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Kevin Randle

United Kingdom News
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[UK 1] UFO shock for student
[UK 2] 24,000mph UFO buzzes Britain
[UK 3] Total eclipse of the sun in UK
[UK 4] Secret maze built under city
[UK 5] A natural-born beauty as Dolly has a little lamb
[UK 6] Tesco's to supply space station.
[UK 7] Northern Ireland under attack - by ET!
[UK 8] Sighting near Ashington, Northumberland
[UK 9] The Search Goes On

World News
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[W 1] Congressman Schiff Dies at 51
[W 2] Entity ?? contact, Australia.
[W 3] Bizarre UFO tale no worse than other Clinton stories
[W 4] New Zealand's First Crop Circle - courtesy NBC-TV
[W 5] Publicity campaign for the new VW Beetle
[W 6] Amazed scientists discover space is full of vast oceans of water

Upcoming events
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Groom Lake gathering
Anniversary Commemorative event of the UFO crash at Aztec, New Mexico

Letters
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The Lolladoff disc
Sighting over Leyton in London
Any UFO groups in Cambridge, UK?
UFO's Garston nr North Watford


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Saturday 9th May - John Carpenter (USA)
Saturday 23rd May - Nick Pope (UK MoD)
Saturday 6th June - Philippe Piet van Putten (Brazil)

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Whitley Strieber (USA)
James Bond Johnson (USA)

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UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guest spot!
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This is a cleaned up log, of the United Kingdom UFO Network Saturday
11th April 1998 IRC meeting on #UFO with guest Kevin Randle. Kevin
kindly gave up a couple of hours of his spare time to answer some
questions for the visitors to the channel. Below you will find a
list of questions that Kevin was asked along with his replies. The
name in between the <>'s e.g.<Nesssus> is the nick name of the IRC
user asking the question and where you see <KRandle> is of course the
start of Kevin's reply.

CREDITS:

We would like to thank Dave_UFO for arranging this meeting with
Kevin Randle. We would like to thank Kevin Randle for attending this
meeting and answering the questions put to him. We would like to
thank all the people involved in asking questions. We would like to
thank everyone who attended this meeting. This meeting was moderated
by Crow and Raine.

Session Start: Sat Apr 11 22:58:38 1998*** Now talking in #ufo

<grumps> Hi Kevin. Chris Rutkowski here. I owe you a drink. :)

<KRandle> Hi Chris. I think you do, but I don't know how to collect
it. *** K9 sets mode: +m

<Raine> Hello everyone and welcome. I would first like to welcome
Kevin to IRC and thank him for joining us on channel #ufo. Please
remember if you have any questions for Kevin /msg crow or me with
them and NOT Kevin, /join #ufo2 for unmoderated chat. Here is a brief
introduction:

<Raine> Kevin D. Randle is a professional writer who, for more than
twenty years, has been studying the UFO phenomenon. Training by the
Army as a helicopter pilot, and by the Air Force as an intelligence
officer, provides Randle with a unique insight into the operations
of the military, their investigations of UFOs, and into a phenomenon
that has puzzled people since the Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting in June
1947.

<Raine> During his investigations, Randle has travelled the United
States to interview hundreds of witnesses who were involved in
everything from the famous Roswell, New Mexico UFO crash of 1947, to
the repeated radar sightings of UFOs over Washington, D.C. in 1952,
to the latest of the abduction cases. Randle was among the first
journalists to have the opportunity to review the files of the Air
Force's UFO study, Project Blue Book when they were declassified in
1976. As a writer, Randle has produced more than 80 books on a
variety of topics. Is there anything you would like to add Kevin or
are you ready for the first question?

<Raine> I give you Kevin Randle ....

<KRandle> Just that I have been working to complete my dissertation
for a doctorate in psychology and have been working to complete a
couple of new books.

<KRandle> KR

<Dave_UFO> Within the last few years the 509th had their 50th
anniversary. A representative of yours attended to see if any of the
group (now getting on in years) would come forward with any
information. At that time no one did. Has this changed since then?

<KRandle> Everyone who was on Col. Blanchard's staff in 1947 has
suggested that a UFO was responsible for the debris. We must
remember that the 509th existed long past that event. But yes, there
are others suggesting something unusual. KR

<Nesssus> Hi and welcome to #ufo Kevin. I've spoken to Stanton on a
number of occasions and he's suggested that a number of the
"stories" of crashes are just that, stories, because Leonard H
Stringfield never properly investigated these cases, would you agree?

<KRandle> Len Stringfield was collecting data and then providing it
to the rest of us. His service was extremely important.

<KRandle> But, knowing that he was not investigating each sighting,
we have to do that.

<KRandle> I believe that the vast majority of UFO crash stories are
just that. Stories. We have to check each one carefully. KR

<Crow> Kevin, I have heard so many variations as to the shape of the
Roswell craft found at the second crash site. Some seem to be saying
it was a saucer shape others say it was like a triangular (stealth)
type craft, what conclusions have you come to if any on the crafts
shape?

<KRandle> The best information is that the craft was triangular
shaped. This is based on the credible eyewitness testimony. KR

<EtBunny> "It is said that the Roswell story has changed over the
years that the "alien" part of the story did not begin until the
70s. So how do we know the Roswell story is true?

<KRandle> Actually, we have mentions of alien bodies long before
1970. I believe the Roswell story to be true based on the eyewitness

<KRandle> testimony of very credible people such as Major Edwin
Easley, the 509th Provost Marshal in 1947. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin, out of all the crashes that you have investigated,
which would you say is the most comparable to Roswell?

<KRandle> Oh, a hard one.

<KRandle> I would say that the best evidence would be for the 1962
Las Vegas, Nevada crash.

<KRandle> I find Kingman, Arizona in 1953 to be intriguing, but it
doesn't have the number of witnesses as the other two. KR

<Dave_UFO> Out of all the Roswell witnesses you have interviewed who
strikes you as the most important and why?

<KRandle> I believe that Edwin Easley is very important because of
who he was in 1947. He told me that the craft was of extraterrestrial
origin.

<KRandle> I find Patrick Saunders, the adjutant, who wrote on the
flyleaf to one of my books that it was the truth, to be very
important. He had nothing to gain and I learned of his notes after
his death. No spotlight motivation.

<KRandle> I find Frank Kaufmann to be credible because, to this
point no one has demonstrated that he has lied about anything.

<KRandle> There are those who don't like his testimony because of
what it does to their personal beliefs and agendas, but the fact is,
he hasn't been caught lying.

<KRandle> There are a number of other lesser players who tell
interesting stories. KR

<Snakker> Kevin, where does the Roswell investigation go from here?

<KRandle> I think we have about mined that field. We might find
additional witnesses, but who is going to care?

<KRandle> The skeptics are going to say their lying. The debunkers
are going to ignore them. And the UFO

<KRandle> researchers are going to try to pick apart the story if it
doesn't conform to their beliefs. We're going to have to look for
physical evidence and documentation. KR

<^Darren> Hi Kevin. In connection with your research into Roswell,
do you think aircraft such as NASA's Hyper X is using technology as
in shape and aerodynamics which has been directly taken from the
crashed craft?

<KRandle> At this late date it's hard to imagine that. We have to
remember that humans are very bright. Sometimes we don't need help
to figure something out. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin, do you feel that if some other crash cases where
investigated as thoroughly as Roswell we would have some real
evidence or more answers?

<KRandle> That's a very distinct possibility. Or maybe just some
other cases. The Washington Nationals,

<KRandle> the radar cases from 1952 might provide some answers.

<KRandle> And the Bentwaters case from the UK looks very good as
long as Larry Warren's nonsense is left out of it. KR

<Snakker> Do you think that Richard Tungate has any more substantial
Roswell information to reveal? If so, what is holding him back?

<KRandle> I think a number of witnesses could provide additional
information if the right questions were asked and the right people
asked them. KR

<Crow> Hi again kevin, have you ever interviewed James Bond Johnson,
the photographer who took the famous picture of Jessie Marcell in
General Ramey's office with the weather balloon wreakage? As he will
be a guest here on may 2nd and said he wanted to clear up some of
the rumours before its too late for him to be able to do so. How much
do you think he really knows?

<KRandle> I was the first to interview him. His story, as related to
me on audio tape, has substantially changed since he first told it.

<KRandle> He'll tell you that I misquoted him, I forced my opinions
on him, and that I'm wrong.

<KRandle> Unfortunately for him, I have it all on tape. He has
radically altered his story from those tapes. He

<KRandle> denies he said things that you can clearly him him say.
However, he was in Ramey's office, he did take the photographs

<KRandle> of Ramey and Dubois, and he now claims he took the
pictures of Marcel. Originally he said he took two pictures, then
four and now six. KR

<Benat2> Hey Kev thanks for coming, my question is back in March and
April of '96 Billy Dolymere and I exchanged a few email messages, in
one of them he defended saying you didnt say something, I don't
remmeber what, but today I visited UFOMIND and it says he criticizes
your work, what happened here?

<KRandle> I have never met the man and as far as I know, never
talked to him. He is a friend and supporter of Don Schmitt. He
accepts everything that Schmitt said as true. KR

<stu7> Kevin...I'd like to ask the obvious... have you had any
opposition from the Army, AirForce or other services, regarding your
investigations ? Any help from them ?

<KRandle> No opposition. In fact, while I was being investigated for
my top secret clearance

<KRandle> the man doing the work included a number of the magazine
articles I had published

<KRandle> criticising the Air Force. I still got the clearance. KR

<Dave_UFO> Is there currently any thought on where the Roswell
wreckage might now be?

<KRandle> I know that it, or some of it went, to Wright Field. I
don't know if it is still there or moved. Everything beyond that is
speculation. KR

<Tinncup> kevin have you ever been told that military will tell the
people the truth one day?

<KRandle> Simple answer is NO. KR

<TopGun__> Have you done research on the MJ-12 documents and do you
think they are authentic?

<KRandle> I have done a great deal of work on MJ-12. Although I
originally believed them to be authentic

<KRandle> I think the evidence is that they are faked. There is no
provenance for them, the typeface didn't exist until

<KRandle> years after the documents were supposedly written. There
are many such problems. KR

<Philos> Kevin What about Pappy Henderson's widow.... I assume you
find her credible also ?

<KRandle> Yes. She is a very nice lady who is telling the truth as
she knows it. Unfortunately she didn't see anything first hand. She
is repeating what her husband told her.

<KRandle> More importantly, we have no reason to doubt what he said
either. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin would you rather be known as a UFO researcher or as
a succesful Sci-Fi writer?

<KRandle> Well, the term is actually science fiction or SF. I have
done quite a bit of action fiction, techno-thrillers and the like.

<KRandle> I think I would like to be known as a successful writer
and a UFO researcher, a psychologist, helicopter pilot, former
military officer, and a lot of other things that I have done.

<KRandle> KR

<Snakker> Is anyone in the U.S. Congress anywhere close to opening
hearings/investigations into the UFO and hopefully the Roswell
incident, also?

<KRandle> I don't think we're very close to any sort of
Congressional hearings at the moment. The Air

<KRandle> Force, with their silly final reports, have convinced many
that Roswell was nothing more than a balloon. KR

<I-Knight> Kevin, at last week's meeting Nick Redfern mentioned a
crash in Britain in 1955 where the bodies of some "small men" were
recovered. Do you know anything about this?

<KRandle> I did a quick search of my database on crashes and didn't
find anything. Short answer: NO. KR

<RavNmaD> Kevin, have you looked into the Varginha incident? and if
so, what conclusions have you drawn?

<KRandle> I've just looked at the beginnings of it. To me, it seems
to slide toward the poor end of the

<KRandle> scale, but I would like to see more, corroborated data
before I write it off completely. KR

<Snakker> How would you have improved the GAO's investigation into
the disposition of Roswell records?

<KRandle> By having them search from the other end as well. They
couldn't find the outgoing messages.

<KRandle> Let's look for those who would have been receiving them
such as 8th AF HQ and SAC.

<KRandle> Let's talk to a few people. I had heard

<KRandle> that the FBI office in Albuquerque had some records so I
turned the information over to the GAO

<KRandle> hoping they would do something, but they didn't. I would
have looked a little harder. KR

<Crow> Who do you think is the least credible of the Roswell
witnesses and why?

<KRandle> Jim Ragsdale for changing his story. Gerald Anderson for
inventing his and getting caught in his lies. Glenn Dennis for
changing the name of the nurse once we had proved she didn't exist.
KR

<Snakker> Isn't Frank Kaufmann a genuine government whistleblower
with bona fides? If this is true, why don't Time, Newsweek, NBC, CBS,
New York Times, etc., jump on the Roswell incident story? Is it
because it is about UFOs?

<KRandle> Well, each of those agencies has done UFO stuff. CBS's 48
Hours interviewed him a couple of

<KRandle> years ago. They didn't ridicule his story. However, the
problem is that we are dealing with

<KRandle> UFOs. No journalist who has spent 20 years building
credibility is going to want to lose it in five minutes

<KRandle> because of UFOs. KR

<Dave_UFO> We read about all sorts of things on the net. Some
believable. Some not. What is your current relation & feeling's on
Don Schmitt?

<KRandle> I have no relation with Don Schmitt. He lied about his
education. He lied about his employment.

<KRandle> He lied about other UFO researchers attempting to
discredit them. And he continues to lie today.

<KRandle> Blunt but true. KR

<Philos> Kevin, You mentioned the '52 Wash. D.C. events .. What can
we learn from that today ? There was no crash - just radar & photos
??

<KRandle> Radar, photos, pilot intercepts, ground visual sightings,
radar sightings, all sorts of data that could be gathered. And we
can see the US government duplicity in their response to the case. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin, Do you think that the Bentwaters/Rendlesham forest
affair is the UK equivalent of Roswell?

<KRandle> No, but only because there wasn't a crash. There is some
interesting evidence from that case. It's one that needs to be fully
explored

<KRandle>It has a place of its own in UFO history. KR

<stu7> Kevin I think Roswell was the first case most ufologists
heard of... are there any more recent cases, in the last year or so,
where the chance of documenting still exists ?

<KRandle> There is the case in Arizona that might provide some of
that. I don't mean to be so American-centric, if that's a word, but
the stuff I hear is usually from American sources. KR

<etech> I have heard that Pres. Carter asked for UFO info, and was
denied, I find that hard to believe. Have you heard anythng like
that?

<KRandle> Carter was going to ask for the information. I can't
conceive of a situation where the information

<KRandle> could be denied to the President. He has the power to get
rid of anyone and find someone who will talk.

<KRandle> So no, I don't think he was refused. KR

<Dave_UFO> Kevin have you ever been intimidated or threatened with
regards to the investigations you undertake? Do you know of anyone
who has been forced by whatever means not to talk to you?

<KRandle> I have never been threatened. A few people I know suggest
they have been told not to talk, but I can't document that. KR

<Snakker> How can we get a national forum to demonstrate to the
American public and the establishment elites that the Air Force
response to Roswell incident facts was simply ludicrous?

<KRandle> I think the AF hurt itself with the "flying dummies"
story. I think we can find all the proof we want and the attitude is
going

<KRandle> to be, this happened before I was born. Why should I care?

<KRandle> That might be our problem. We're now dealing with
history.KR

<Nesssus> What got you interested in UFO's in the first place? and
did you drift into research or "deliberately" took it up?

<KRandle> I always blame my mother.

<KRandle> She had an interest in science fiction and it isn't a far
step into the realm of the UFO.

<KRandle> I took up UFO research because I wanted to learn the truth
for myself. KR

<Philos> Kevin, Do you detect any effort to subvert the Roswell
research, such as false wittnesses or such? I mean intentional
subversion.

*** KRandle has quit IRC (Read error to
KRandle[202-154-186.ipt.aol.com]: Connection reset by peer_)

<Nesssus> oh dear

<TopGun__> uups...

<Raine> im sure he will be back :)

<Crow> he was doing great so far too

<Crow> #ufo2 open for unmoderated disscussion

<Crow> we will give him a few mins to redial he may well be back any
sec

*** KRandle (Crows_www@203-55-85.ipt.aol.com) has joined #ufo

*** Raine sets mode: +o KRandle

<Crow> welcome back Kevin

<Raine> welcome back Kevin :)

<KRandle> Hey folks. I was AOLed. That means they logged me off.

<Benat2> re kev

<Philos> Kevin, Do you detect any effort to subvert the Roswell
research, such as false wittnesses or such? I mean intentional
subversion.

<KRandle> Ah, that was the question. No. I see people jumping on the
bandwagon for the spotlight

<KRandle> or to make some money. The government attempts are their
silly final reports. I mean, they did a final report and then did a
second final report. KR

<buck7> Welcome Kevin. I wonder if you have any further information
regarding the Shag Harbor incident.

<KRandle> Chris Styles and Don Ledger have been doing a wonderful
job with that. When someone asked earlier about good UFO crash cases,
I should have put that at the top of the list.

<KRandle> I know that they are continuing their work and have found
some good documentation. KR

<Snakker> What do you think Sheridan Cavitt's motivation is for not
telling the truth about his experiences with Jesse Marcel in the
Roswell incident?

<KRandle> His government oath to keep the secret.

<KRandle> I think that we have a lot of people who are honorable and
who were told not to talk. They just don't because they said they
wouldn't. KR

<stu7> Kevin ...whats the best piece of physical (if any) evidence
from Roswell, or any case, youve seen ?

<KRandle> That's a tough one.

<KRandle> I think that some of the photo cases, when couple to other
evidence makes a persuasive case. McMinnville, Oregon in 1950, for
example. KR

<Dave_UFO> What role do you feel NASA plays in all of this? On the
one hand they appear to be saying "yes" life does exist elsewhere
possibly i.e. the Mars meteorite and lets not forget their
willingness to rephotograph Cydonia, 'the face on Mars.

<KRandle> I think NASA is trying to avoid the problems the AF faces
with Project Blue Book.

<KRandle> I think that NASA is working hard to keep their budget
intact. And they do respond to public pressure as you noted.

<KRandle> As for a role, I think the exploration of space will
answer our questions if we don't get them answered down here. KR

<pathfindr> have you ever spoken with any astronauts in regards to
the rumors of ufo sightings?

<KRandle> No. I heard the same stories and seen them, in public
forums acknowledge some of it.

<KRandle> KR

<Snakker> Kevin, you were a helicopter pilot. Do you think that the
so-called (silent) black helicopters are advanced military, or some
alien thing, or a combination of both?

<KRandle> Nope. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin do you believe that alien technology/ufo's are kept
at Area51?

<KRandle> Nope.

<KRandle> That is the simple answer. I think the next level of
military technology is being developed there

<KRandle> which is a good reason for the secrecy. We don't want our
competitors in the world to know everything we're doing. KR

<Dave_UFO> Black Budgets. We know the U.S. government has a black
budget. Has a black budget list ever been released or obtained?

<KRandle> Some of the really old stuff has been learned. The
Manhattan Project, for example.

<KRandle> The problem is that they are black budgets... some what
30-40 Billion dollars a year. You can

<KRandle> cause a lot of trouble with that kind of money. KR

<Snakker> What is the best strategy to force the smoking gun UFO
evidence out of our government/military

<KRandle> Be scientific in our approach to the questions. Let go of
the cases where the evidence is against us. Mantell, for example,

<KRandle> was killed chasing a balloon. The evidence for that is
overwhelming. Let's stop suggesting that a death ray got him. That
harms us. KR

<buck7> Kevin, what is your take on the Mexico City video? Having
just seen it myself for the first time along with some witness
testimony, it looked compellingly real, if not a very excellent
technical hoax.

<KRandle> One of the segments I saw, with a flight of helicopters
looked faked to me. You have an

<KRandle> unknown object flash in front of your craft and there is
no reaction, by any of the pilots. That bothered me.

<KRandle> Someone should have reacted, unless the object was added
to the video later. KR

<pathfindr> Some "abductees" report a mission they are to perform at
some future time. Is this a common trait or perception?

KRandle> Many abductees have made mention of that. Some of the
contactees said the same thing. KR

<Dave_UFO> I work with a lot of people who are only too willing to
point out to me newspaper & magazine articles etc. However I know
some still smile unbelievingly. How have you approached people with
your beliefs?

<KRandle> I try to make sure that they understand that the physical
evidence, in every form, that is demanded by

<KRandle> science already exists. When Carl Sagan demand, "Where is
the evidence?" My question to him would be

<KRandle> tell me what you want and I'll tell you where it is.KR

<Philos> Kevin, would you care to venture an opinion as to the nature
of the visitors? Ets ? Other-dimensional beings? Spirits?
Time-travellers?

<KRandle> I believe that some UFO sightings represent
extraterrestrial visitation. KR

<Crow> Kevin how did you react when you heard the announcment of the
Roswell crash dummies?

<KRandle> LOL. Great deals of laughter. Hell, it wasn't even in the
right time frame. KR

<I-Knight> Kevin, do you believe any part of what Bob Lazar says
about his work at Area 51? Stanton Friedman says he is a fraud but
Bob Oeshler says he is genuine!

<KRandle> Boy, caught me in a bad one here. I have to side with Stan
on this one. I talked to a man who worked with Lazar at Los Alamos.
Said he was a technician and not a scientist. KR

<buck7> Kevin, I was referring to the saucer shaped craft which flew
behind an apartment complex and then emerged.

<KRandle> Back to Mexico.

<KRandle> I guess I would have to take a long look at the Mexico. I
was merely suggesting that some of the video needs to be reveiwed
carefully. KR

<Snakker> Do you know of any underground facility research besides
that of Richard Sauder? We hear a lot of rumor about extensive
underground facilities. Have you personally been in any (extensive)
underground facilities in your military career?

<KRandle> I was in a missile silo once. I was in Carlsbad Caverns
twice. Yes, there are underground facilities, but I doubt that any
of them have an extraterrestrial influence. KR

<Crow> Kevin what are your personal thoughts on Alien abductions do
you believe its happening or it is something else?

<KRandle> There is no doubt that the people reporting abductions are
experiencing something that is real to them.

<KRandle>But we must remember that we do not have the proper
corroborative detail. I believe that we will find an answer that has
a mundane force behind it. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin, whats your "favourite" case?

<KRandle> Well, would you believe "Roswell?"

<KRandle> Other good cases include the photographic part of the
Lubbock Lights, Levelland, TX in 1957, the Montanta Movie

<KRandle> of 1950. Gees, I'm stuck in the deep past... Oh, Lonnie
Zamora in 1964. Bentwaters. The Belgium sightings. KR

<VVazza> Kevin, do you know of any alien abduction cases that have
involved mutilation?

<KRandle> I was going to just say, "No." but I have heard of a couple
through various other researchers.

<KRandle> I don't find the evidence for them to be very persuasive
thought.KR

<Benat2> Kev: do you have a messagebourd of some type somewere were
we can post questions or comments to you?

<KRandle> Yes. Look at http://www.crystalsky.com

<KRandle> KR

<forgiette> Could you ask Kevin what he knows of UFO rods and what
he thinks of them?

<KRandle> Not much. KR

<forgiette> what do you thinks of the sts-52 unknown objects.

<KRandle> I haven't looked at that very closely. I did some work on
STS-48 which was very interesting.

<KRandle> Jack Kasher shared a look of his information with me on
that. KR

<etech> I am unfamiliar with the "Montana movie", are you aware of
any government team sent to Malmstrom AFB to study UFO's?

<KRandle> The Montana Movie was taken over Great Falls,`Montana in
1950. Shows two bright objects. The Air Force thought they might be
airplanes landing at Great Falls AFB which was renamed Malmstrom. KR

<VVazza> Kevin, it seems the majority of ufo sightings happen in
USA, is there something special about usa, as apart from the rest of
the world?

<KRandle> Nope. I just think we might have a better reporting
system. Lots of good stuff in South America and Europe. KR

<Benat2> Without any cursing, whats your opinion of Richard Boylan,
if any?

<KRandle> People, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm going to have to
bow out shortly. KR

<Raine> No problem Kevin just a couple of questions left
<Raine> if that is ok with you?

<KRandle> Boylan lost his license to practice and rightly so. He was
imprinting his own opinoins and beliefs on his clients. KR.

<KRandle> Let's do it. KR

<uranian> crow, question for Kevin, what does he think of the Dogon
tribe re: Sirius being binary star <Crow> ok no more questions now
folks

<KRandle> I haven't taken a solid look at it. I find things like
that interesting but haven't had a chance to do any real research. KR

<Snakker> How does a military/government employee know that a given
*event* is considered classified (as opposed to a document, which is
marked or only shown in a classified environment)? How do government
employees know they shouldn't discuss a UFO event? Does an officer
always proactively tell them?

<KRandle> If you are not directly involved in classified programs
but are exposed to them, you are told

<KRandle> that it is classified. So, if you see a UFO and the
government doesn't want you to talk, they tell you. KR

<VVazza> MIB was of course a fictional movie, but i have heard of
similar govt agents working on undercover cover ups (not FBI) is
this true?

<KRandle> I think MIB was a wonderful movie. Do I think there is a
real MIB phenomenon? Nope. KR

<etech> FYI, there was a team there studying them about 1976 when I
was there, but they were very stand-offish, not surprisingly.
<Raine> This is the last one

<KRandle> I've run into some people looking into it but never seen
any good evidence. KR

<Raine> Thank you Kevin for a very interesting and informative
evening, it was a great pleasure meeting you. We appreciate the time
and effort you have put in tonight, please feel free to pop in again
sometime. Good luck with all you do.

<Nesssus> Thank you very much for taking the time to be with us
tonight Kevin it is GREATLY appreciated by all.

<Crow> Can I just say a very big thank you to you Kevin, from all of
us in #ufo. You have made a great guest and we are honoured to have
had you join us. May I wish you all the very best of luck for the
future and please keep up the very high standard of work we have
been accustomed to expect from you. :) <Crow> we will now go into -m
unmoderated mode

<KRandle> Thank all of you for your kindness and interest in my
work. If I can help, please let me know. KR

*** K9 sets mode: -m

<buck7> Thanks Kevin. Come back again.
<Benat2> ya know for the record
* ariella thanks KRandle for a great chat
<Raine> yes please come back again Kevin, it was a real pleasure :)
<KRandle> Sure will. Good night.KR <Benat2> cya <Benat2> have a good
sleep <Crow> thanks kevin bye <forgiette> nite krandle <EbE> Bye
<pharmcat> Thanks Kevin! <Alien> Oh one last thing before you go.
BYE!! <Benat2> oh ya and Happy Easter <Raine> Nite KRandle <Snakker>
Thanks for answering our questions. Hope to see you back sometime. *
stu7 waves to KR <tom1> Thanks keep up the good work ! <^Darren> Thank
you Kevin. *** KRandle has quit IRC (KRandle)

Session Close: Sun Apr 12 00:26:53 1998


United Kingdom News
===================


[UK 1]******

uk.ufo.nw says: A report from last year but the Cornish coast of
Britain continues to have sightings.

Source: Cornish Guardian
Publish Date: 13th February 1997

UFO shock for student

DRAMA student Matt Punter claims he had to slam on his car brakes
after being confronted by a UFO near his Pensilva home in South East
Cornwall. The 18-year-old was travelling home late at night when he
became aware of something directly over his car.

"I suddenly had to duck and slam on the brakes," he said. "My first
thought was that a plane was crashing in the road in front of me.
"Then it stopped about 10 metres further down the road. It was four
different coloured lights in a square with no substance to it at
all. "The highest one was about eight metres in the air. It stopped
there only for one second. I felt like it was looking at me while I
was looking at it. Then it just went." Matt said: "I always thought
people who claimed to see UFO's were a bit sad. But now I know what
they were on about."

[UK 2]******

Source: Daily Mail newspaper (UK)
Publish Date: Monday 27th April 1998

RAF track mystery craft over north sea - and fighters can't catch it

24,000mph UFO buzzes Britain

By DAVID DERBYSHIRE
Science Correspondent

THE RAF has tracked a UFO `as big as a battleship' off the coast of
Britain, military sources revealed yesterday. They said the massive
craft was tracked flying in a zig-zag pattern at 17,000mph over the
North Sea. It then accelerated to 24,000mph and zoomed off towards
the Atlantic.

The Dutch air force also tracked the UFO, but two F-16 fighters
scrambled to intercept the object were unable to keep up, it is
claimed. RAF officials are said to be baffled by the object, spotted
by the Ministry of Defence long-range listening station on
Fylingdales moor in North Yorkshire.

`It was definitely under control, judging by the various manoeuvres
executed,' said a source. `It appeared to be triangular and was
around the size of a battleship (about 900ft long).'

Radar records of the craft are due to be presented to science and
military experts from around the world, who will examine how to
exploit space for milltary purposes at a conference at RAF College,
Cranwell, Lincolnshire, in June. Other tapes of the UFO - thought
to have been made during the last two years are being withheld
because they give too to much information about the radar base's
scanning ability.

However, military chiefs may release a second series of tapes,
reported to show 12 UFOs changing shape in mid-flight.

While the `battleship' UFO is most likely to be an experimental
aircraft or a sighting caused by a freak weather effect, UFO watchers
believe it is further evidence that the Earth is being visited by
alien craft.

The popularity of TV series such as the X-Files has rekindled
interest in flying saucers and conspiracy theories in recent years.

A spokesman for the Fortean Times, the journal devoted to UFOs,
psychic phenomena and the paranormal, said: `The vast majority of
strange objects seen in the sky have a more down-to-earth
explanation. But most UFO investigators would be very interested in
seeing these tapes.' The latest theory gaining popularity among some
dedicated UFO watchers is that the military deliberately release
stories about UFOs as a 'smokescreen' - and that witnesses are really
seeing top secret experimental aircraft.

The base at RAF Fylingdales has been watching the skies since the
end of the Cold War. A large pyramid shaped, 360 degree radar has now
replaced the gigantic landmark 'golfballs' tracking system.

The base has concentrated on tracking satellites and pieces of junk
circling the Earth.

[UK 3]******

Source: Teletext News (ITV Text Serveice)
Publish Date: Sunday 19th April 1998

Total eclipse of sun in the UK

A retired army chief has been appointed to lead a team to plan how
to cope with a 500,000 strong army of total eclipse watchers expected
in Cornwall next year.

Huge numbers are expected to travel to watch the first total eclipse
of the sun on mainland UK for 70 years.

New "eclipse supremo" Gage Williams, 52, will plan for a range of
matters including accommodation and traffic.

uk.ufo.nw says: We'll be there in late 1999. Look out for a full
report and photographs.

[UK 4]******

Source: Teletext News (ITV Text Service)
Publish Date: Thursday 9th April 1998

Secret maze built under city

A secret underground maze built in the event of a nuclear war has
been hidden under a city for more than 40 years.

The vast complex of tunnels and rooms in Birmingham was designed in
1952 to house 20 people who have formed a regional government.

The shelter would have provided food, light and heat for three
months and one room even had a snooker table.

uk.ufo.nw says: During the week of this report several television
news reports were shown. If anyone has any further information on the
maze under Birmingham please get in touch at our usual address:
ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk

[UK 5]******

Source: Daily Mail newspaper (UK)
Publish Date: Friday 24th April 1998

A natural-born beauty as Dolly has a little lamb

By Michael Seamark

Dolly the world's first cloned sheep proudly presented her new baby
to the world yesterday - a beautiful spring lamb called Bonnie.

But, unlike her famous mother, the creation of the cuddly little
newcomer - born 11 days ago - was entirely natural.

The father was a four year old Welsh mountain ram named David.

Graham Bulfield, director of the Roslin Institute in Edinburgh,
which cloned Dolly from a single breast cell of another sheep, said:
"Despite Dolly's unusual origins, the birth of her lamb confirms
that she is able to breed normally and produce healthy offspring."

Dolly sparked an ethical and scientific furore when her existence
was revealed last February. Some scientists questioned whether she is
a true clone because her 'genetic' mother died before she was born
and it has been impossible to prove the two animals were identical.

Bonny faces no such controversy. Dolly is a Finn Dorset and father
David a completely different breed. After mating last November,
Dolly was regularly monitored and in the days leading up to the birth
was placed under 24 hour surveillance.

Bonnie was born at 4am on Easter Monday, weighing just under 7lb.
Despite Dolly's clinical background, the institute said: "She has
shown a strong maternal instinct and is an enthusiastic mother."

Bonnie's healthy birth is expected to counter fears that Dolly may
be prone to premature ageing and age related disorders as a result of
being cloned from a six year old adult. The lambs arrival also
provides an important boost to the commercialisation of the
technique that produced Dolly.

Dolly and Bonnie are currently spending much of their time indoors.
For Bonnie, life will be longer than most of her kind - who end up
on the dinner table.

"As a celebrity sheep, we will be keeping her here for her natural
life," said the institute.

[UK 6]******

Source: Strange But True (ITV teletext Text Service)
Publish Date: Saturday 2nd May 1998

Tesco's to supply space station.

Supermarket giant Tesco could be sending it's home delivery service
into orbit with an order to supply food to astronauts on the new
space station.

Nasa has asked the store for samples of it's best selling lines with
a view to putting them on the menu in space.

It is looking for nutritious food for the American/Russian space
station when it is commissioned in 2003.

uk.ufo.nw says: Tesco's is one of the largest supermarket stores in
the UK. We understand that Tesco's supplied food to Richard Branson
and the Virgin Atlantic team for their round the world balloon
attempt. Nasa were impressed with the nutritious foods supplied.

[UK 7]******

From: Nicholas Blachford <minator@hearit.demon.co.uk>

Northern Ireland under attack - by ET!

This has been reported in the local press recently, unfortunately
all the papers have been thrown out so I'm going by memory!

Northern Ireland under attack - by ET!

On 13th December 1997 an explosion was heard near the town of
Belleek in county Fermanagh Northern Ireland. The reports of the
blast lead to the security forces doing a search for a suspected bomb
and even closing off some roads but nothing was found.

It wasn't until the next month that a farmer noticed a extra 6 foot
wide circular pond in one of his fields. Calls were made to Armagh
Planetarium and they turned up to investigate the site. The crater
was drained but nothing was found except a badly damaged milk churn.
Later investigations managed to find a 1.5 mm bead of glass, it is
unknown if this was the source of the crater but it's all they've
found so far. The site is very muddy and it is suspected that the
real culprit may have sank down out of reach. It either was small
and hit very fast or was large and hit relatively slowly.

Planetarium officials noted that the object which landed had hit the
ground had done so at almost 90 degrees and also pointed out that
another rather larger object hit Greenland on the same night. This
object was so big in fact that a scar was visible in satellite
photos. Had the Greenland object hit in Northern Ireland it would
have leveled the nearby town of Belleek.

Nicholas Blachford
mailto:minator@hearit.demon.co.uk
http://www.hearit.demon.co.uk

[UK 8]******

From: "damian.robson" <damian.robson@virgin.net>

Sighting near Ashington, Northumberland

I would like to report on a sighting my brother and his partner had
in November 1996 which was the last of a number of objects they saw
in the sky during the months of October and November in that year.

My brother and his girlfriend live on the NE coast of England near
Ashington in Northumberland and it was about 5.25pm on the 4, 5 or 6
of November when after hearing the noise of a jet he looked out of
his sons bedroom window towards the NW when he saw a group of lights
moving South. Then suddenly from behind came a smaller group of
lights which flew past the first group turning sharply Eastwards
towards his home. Then from over the wood in front of my brothers
house came what he described as being a disco of different
rectangular shaped coloured lights of which were green, blue, purple,
yellow, red and white. He noticed that the lights seemed to be
stacked on top of each other in layers and that there were more red
lights than the other colours.

He called on his partner and they both watched as the object passed
slowly and silently over their home which they then lost sight of.
They went outside to look but all they could see was a small cluster
of lights in the distance which then disappeared.

If you have any reports of this sighting or would like more
infomation on this or the other sightings they saw over these two
months email me on the address below and I can put you in contact
with them.

uk.ufo.nw says: After requesting further information Damian was good
enough to send us the below report.

With regards to my brothers sightings, these earlier ones occurred
over a period of a month up to the night of the one I wrote about
earlier.

There was one evening when it was dark while he cycled home from a
friends House. He saw an object hovering which he first thought was
a helicopter but had no sound. He noticed that the object had a red,
yellow and blue glow to it. He kept on walking and then lost sight
of the object through the gaps of the houses which overlook the
woods.

When the object was seen again about 12 seconds later it had
travelled fast as it seemed much closer than before. He noticed it
had two bright white bar lights and a flashing red light on top.
There was no noise which you would expect if it were a helicopter. He
lost sight of it again because of the houses so he peddled a further
100yrds to the end of the street and saw the object again but it was
slightly higher in altitude and a little more distant than before.

It then changed direction by moving sharply upwards at an angle he
described as being about 80 degrees. When he got home he got out his
binoculars and observed the object with his partner who he called
from the bathroom to view the object too. The object by then looked
different as there were seven lights, one being a white bar light
which did not flash, the other a red flashing light as seen before
and the others being orange in colour, which flashed in sequence.

He went to the park to observe the object out of the glare of the
street lights and noticed that it would travel at high altitude from
West to East before moving out of sight but sometimes crossing the
same point of the sky. All through October he witnessed lights in
the sky which were red, green and white (I am not sure at this time
whether these lights were seen individually or on separate occasions
or together) which moved about with flight paths that crossed the
same parts of the sky regularly.

One night in late October he heard the noise of a jet and when he
looked out of the window he saw an object he described as being a
jumbo jet without wings as it had bar lighting running along 2/3rds
the body of the tube with a red flashing light at the rear. This
object passed very low over the house. This was a different object
to the one which I wrote to you a while back.

Although I have copied from notes he has given me and put down in
words that he has told me, there is a lot of patchy detail. I hope I
have been helpful in giving you more information which may shred
more light on identifying what was in the sky at that time.

[UK 9]******

Source: Fortean e-zine "Phenomena On-Line"
Date: March 1998
From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)

The Search Goes On

Jodrell Bank, the world famous radio telescope in Cheshire is to be
used to search for messages from other planets.

Operated by the University of Manchester, the 250 foot Lovell
Telescope will link up with the 1,000 foot telescope at Arecibo in
Puerto Rico.+ Speaking on BBC Radio, Ian Morrison said, "It will be
the most sensitive search undertaken by man to see if there is
anybody out there trying to talk to us."

In 1993 NASA stopped funding their own programme in the search for
extraterrestrial intelligence, but did build a receiver capable of
picking up 250 million signals simultaneously. "You don't know what
frequency anyone might be transmitting to us so you have to search
quite a broad band.", said Ian Morrison, "Now linking that receiver
with the two most sensitive telescopes in the world makes a system
that's really quite something and if anybody is going to pick up
signals from out there I reckon we are going to do it."

Having the two telescopes situated over 1,000 miles apart will mean
that interference from local transmissions can be ruled out. The two
sites will be linked via the Internet and as soon as one finds a
signal it will alert the other. The frequency of the transmission
will also be slightly different at the two sites and so noises from
satellites above Earth and further out in the Solar System can be
eliminated.

Ian Morrison said, "I'm sure there is a lot of life out there. On
our planet, life arose almost within years of the conditions becoming
right - however it took a lot longer for more complicated life to
evolve, about 3 billion years. We are beginning to discover other
planets around other stars.... I'm sure that the Universe and the
galaxy is teeming with life - now whether that life has got to the
point where it could communicate or whether it would want to we
don't know".

Leading project scientist Seth Shostak said, "It is my personal view
we will find clear evidence of extra terrestrial life in the next
10-15 years".

World News
==========


[W 1]******

Source: The Associated Press
From: Bernhard Nahrgang <bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net>

Congressman Schiff Dies at 51

Steve Schiff, whose battle with skin cancer forced him to decide not
to run for re-election this year, died today at age 51.

The five-term New Mexico Republican, who had been fighting
aggressive squamous-cell skin cancer for more than a year, died this
morning at his Albuquerque home.

Schiff had been absent from Washington, D.C., since last April but
had been continuing to conduct 1st Congressional District from home.

During his years in Congress, Schiff was credited with a compromise
plan that allowed Speaker Newt Gingrich to resolve ethics
allegations by paying a $300,000 penalty to reimburse the government
for investigative costs.

Once, when Schiff opposed a congressional pay raise, he donated the
amount of the raise that year to charity.

He also gained headlines in 1993, reopening a federal investigation
into the so-called Roswell Incident in which extraterrestrial beings
were purported to have crashed northwest of Roswell in 1947. Schiff
asked the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative arm, to
seek Air Force documents relating to the incident. The Air Force
said a secret high-tech spy balloon crashed, not an alien spacecraft.

[W 2]******

From: Barry <phnixvan@mail.cth.com.au

Entity ?? contact, Australia.

My name is Barry Davidson, I am a retired Police Officer
and currently a businessman in the manufacturing field.

On the evening of 18th and 19th of April, 1996, my family
and I, four people in total, were involved for a period of
several hours of contact with, for want of a better
description, an electrical entity. The 'entity' was not visible
but was real enough to cause physical injury through
electrical discharge when accidentally contacted physically. It
moved for a distance of approx. 120 feet throughout the house
over a period of approx. 4.5 hours and seemed to conduct it's
movements intelligently, always being in an area where we
would easily locate it.

A list of the injuries suffered by the participants to the
event include the following. Low grade radiation sickness,
extreme nausea, severe headaches lasting for from two weeks
to three months, skin marking, [not scars.] Three of the
participants have developed, at the same time, acute
subjective tinnitus. All suffered aches and soreness to muscles
and joints.

Evidence left behind includes a sheltered rock in the garden
edging blasted to pieces, [shrubbery undamaged], blast or
abrasion marks on the adjacent pathway, a candle partly
melted and separated of it's chemical componentry, [the stearin
reverting to crystalline form] and the wick exposed but not
charred. There was a shadow imprint of the pergola roof on the
mossy pathway below. An anomalous telemetry printout was
received from the nearby reservoir monitoring station which
cannot be explained. Unusual plant growth in the immediate
area, etc. etc.

At approx 12.20 am on the morning of 19th, April, a local
couple, both respected business people, witnessed a large
orange dome or globe directly above our house. This dome
seemed to be emitting blue/orange light rays downwards towards
the house. This time coincides with the anomalous printout
from the telemetry and also one of the more spectacular events
within the house.

My reason for writing to you is as follows: I have
investigated the incident as I would have a crime. I have
preserved the evidence trail and secured the evidence and
statements taken. I am afraid that I have used up all of
the resources available to me in Australia in my attempts to
investigate the incident, both at an official and unofficial
level, and I wonder if you or anyone you could direct me
to would be able to assist with further directions to follow
in my investigative path.

I realise that this incident probably does not fall within
the traditional 'light in the sky' type scenario and therefore
may fall into the 'too hard basket' for some traditional
researchers. Never the less I would be immensely appreciative
of any advice you may be able to give me or for any new
investigative paths you may be able to open for me.

Many, many thanks,

Barry Davidson
phnixvan@mail.cth.com.au

[W 3]******

Source: The Arizona Republic
Publish Date: 18th March 1998
From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)

Bizarre UFO tale no worse than other Clinton stories

By Steve Wilson

Speaking with people around the country last week about UFOs and the
first anniversary of the "Phoenix Lights," I was told a remarkable
story that didn't make my column.

I omitted it because the account came from only one source, because
it had no corroboration, and because it seemed preposterous. It
simply didn't have enough credibility to be published.

But thinking it over, and reflecting on coverage of the Clinton sex
scandal, I've reconsidered. The standards for what constitutes a
news story have fallen so significantly in recent weeks that the UFO
account can now qualify as newsworthy. Since the story involves the
president, I'm even more sure it merits public disclosure.

Plus, if I don't get it in print now, Internet ace Matt Drudge might
scoop me.

Here's the skinny:

The strange lights over Phoenix were only one unusual happening on
the night of March 13, 1997. A U.S. reconnaissance satellite, which
presumably could have picked up the source of the lights, went dead
for no apparent reason. About the same time, the Pentagon increased
the country's military preparedness to DEFCON 3 (the highest state
of readiness for peacetime conditions).

You may recall that on the same evening, President Clinton was
staying at the Florida estate of golfer Greg Norman. The White House
said that after talking with Norman late into the night, Clinton
tripped on a step and seriously injured his knee.

What really occurred, my source reports, is that the commander in
chief was notified of the UFO activity and had to be moved quickly
to a more secure location where he could oversee U.S. defense
activities. In the rush by the Secret Service to hustle him away, he
tripped and damaged the knee.

My source, who asked to remain anonymous, is a nationally known UFO
expert. His account isn't much less reliable than multiple stories
reported in recent weeks about Clinton's personal life. I'm not
talking about the likes of Hard Copy or the tabloids or Drudge, the
rumormonger correctly described by one critic as "the troll under
the bridge of Internet journalism." I'm talking about respected
mainstream media.

[W 4]******

Source: John Lundberg
From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)

New Zealand's First Crop Circle - courtesy NBC-TV

At the beginning of March 1998 three 'circlemakers' (John Lundberg,
Rod Dickinson and Wil Russell) were flown out to the Southern most
tip of New Zealand to be filmed creating a crop circle for NBC-TV.

The footage will be used in the documentary - provisionally entitled
- "Unmasked: The Secret's of Deception" that is due to be aired on
prime-time TV across America during May, then around the world in
the following weeks. It has an estimated US audience alone of 25
million.

We were asked to design a complex crop formation that could be made
at night in under four hours. The formation we designed had over 100
flattened circles and a diameter of 300ft, putting it on a par with
some of the most complex formations to appear in the fields of
England over the past few years.

To view the formation and for further info visit:

http://www.head-space.com/circlemakers/nztrip.html

[W 5]******

From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)

Publicity campaign for the new VW Beetle

Details from 'The Washington Post' on the publicity campaign for the
new Beetle (American slang for the well-known Volkswagen model).

URL:
http://washingtonpost.com:80/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-03/13/152l-031398-idx.
htm l

Excerpt:

"So the TV commercials (they begin appearing March 23), print ads
(already in some magazines' April issues) and billboards attempt a
generational straddle. The 30-second spot in which seven yellow
Beetles form a daisylike circle -- tagline: "Less flower. More
power" -- takes a backward look while emphasizing improvements. But
the commercial in which a silver Beetle bounces and flips around the
white screen, followed by the line "Reverse engineered from UFOs," is
intended to feel more contemporary. And ads that will appear in
Wired magazine and on the Yahoo! Internet finder use simple techie
shorthand: "Beetle 2.0."

[W 6] ******

Source: The Guardian newspaper (UK)
Publish Date: 8th April 1998
From: "Adi" <adi@totalmusic.net>

Amazed scientists discover space is full of vast oceans of water

European scientists using an ultracold orbiting telescope have
discovered unimaginable volumes of water in space between the stars.
the discovery raises questions about life elsewhere in the universe
- and provides new answers about why life was possible on Earth.

The scientists were astounded to find water vapour in the freezing
atmospheres of Jupiter, Neptune, Saturn and Uranus. They also
revealed yesterday that they have discovered water in the atmosphere
in of Saturn's mysterious moon - Titan - which is to be visited by a
joint US/Euro probe in 2004. They have even identified a cloud of
water, less than a light year across, in the constellation Orion.

Hydrogen is the raw material of the universe. Oxygen is made in
huge quantities by the stars. So water should be no suprise. There
have been fleeting glimpses of water on the Sun's surface, and in
March, American's confirmed the presence of water on the moon. But
the discovery of vast oceans of water vapour - the mass of which in
the Milky Way galaxy alone would equal tens of thousands of suns - by
the European Space Agencies infrared space observatory ISO astonished
astronomers.

"I think our imaginations failed to describe the variety of places,
the variety of circumstances, and the variety of conditions under
which we found it ," said Paul Murdin of the British National Space
Centre, yesterday.

Using instruments called spectroscopes, scientists have identified
and astonishing range of organic molecules, in space, including
hydrogen cyanide, alcohol and formaldehyde. But water is the first
requirement for life. The 600 million ISO equipment confirms once
again that there could be life on planets in other solar systems.
The next step will be to look for tell-tale signs of life itself:
concentrations of oxygen or ozone in distant planetary atmospheres.

The ISO discovery also confirms a growing belief that water on Earth
may have been delivered by comets, icy scraps of dust left over from
the birth of stars.

The experiment opens up a new window on the universe. More than
1,000 astronomers from Europe, Japan and the US have used the
telescope, launched in 1995, for more than 26, 000 observations.
The data returned will keep astronomers busy for years.

"All the missions we undertake in ESA have to be unique," said Roger
Bonnet, head of science at the space agency. "In principle, the
American's have done everything, so what remains to be done is
impossible. All our missions are mission impossible, but ISO is
more possible then any other."

ISO should have survived for only 18 months but is still operating
after 29. The telescope posed a huge technical challenge: to detect
infra-red rays, it had to be cooler than any object it looked at -
and the average temperature of deep space is -270oC. So ISO had to
be cooled with liquid helium which kept the instruments temperature
just above absolute zero (-273oC.)

The satellite has peered into clouds of space dust to watch the
formation of solar systems, and deep into the heart of ultra-luminous
galaxies. It has also witnessed two galaxies colliding and, in one
of them, the signature of a b;lack hole sucking a blaze of stardust
into itself. Beside mapping the edge of the known universe, it has
also seen a star being born inside the Horsehead nebula.


Upcoming events
===============

Groom Lake gathering

Norio Hayakawa has asked me to relay information about an upcoming
gathering of people (400-800 expected) at Area 51 on June 6th ("The
People's Rally at Area 51"). If you are interested in attending this
event, please go to:

http://www.eagle-net.org/groomwatch/

Or you can contact Norio personally by email at:

NorioA51S4@aol.com

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Anniversary Commemorative event of the UFO crash at Aztec, New Mexico

The Aztec Public Library, Aztec, New Mexico, is sponsoring a 50th
Anniversary Commemorative event of the UFO crash at Aztec, that
allegedly occurred on or around May 25, 1948 (dates vary), by
sponsoring a symposium on May 25, 1998 (Memorial Day Weekend)
tentatively including the following topics:

*the Aztec Secret - panel discussion.
*the Roswell Incident
*Aliens in the Movies
*Government Cover-up of UFO Information
*Alien Technology - Reverse Engineering
*"The Day After Roswell"
*German/Japan Connection
*Aztec Public Library's Oral History Project
*Personal Sightings
*Native American views of UFO's
*UFO's vs.. Spiritualism
*Off the wall- the Weird and the Wacky!
*Scoreboard - Fact or Fiction? We want to know?

For more information please contact us at:

aztecpl@cyberport.com
http://www.cyberport.com/aztecpl


Letters
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From: "Philippe Piet van Putten" <abp1@uol.com.br>

The Lolladoff disc

Dear colleagues and friends,

Has anyone ever heard about a small disc-shaped object alegedly
discovered in by a Prof. Sergey Lolladoff (Oxford University) which
changes its own weight ? According to old rumours, the object, refered
as "the Lolladoff disc" has engraved drawings on it and belonged to
the "Dzopa" a lost tibetan tribe which is said to be originated from
"star people".

I have a book in spanish which describes the object and mentions a
british "Journal of Ethnology" (Oxford ?) as a solid academic
reference for the discovery.

I have contacted Oxford University but they never replied about Prof.
Lolladoff or the disc (which is said to be kept in a bank safe).

I would appreciate to hear your oppinion about this subject.

Best regards

Philippe Piet van Putten
abp1@uol.com.br
http://www.pufori.org/

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Sighting over Leyton in London

Could you please tell me if anyone else reported seeing a UFO in the
sky over Leyton in London on Monday eve March 30 1998. My sister in
law saw a round disc shape with lines all the way around and strange
greenish/blue lights - no red lights. It slowly hovered across the
sky above her house. She was instantly extremely frightened by the
experience which confirms for her that it was a foreign object - not
at all recognizable. She explained that it appeared to be quite
large in size.Just wondering if anybody else has reported this to
yourselves? Is there a common body that people can use to report
sightings to or are you the most appropriate for this in the UK?

many thanks,

Joe Musselwhite

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From: "Kevin Slaney" <cranialjax@cambs.net>

Any UFO groups in Cambridge, UK?

I live in Cambridgeshire UK and wondered if you know of any UFO
groups that meet in or near Cambridge UK?

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Do you know of any clubs or whatever in the Teeside (Middlesborough
/ Stockton) area?

Nicholas Blachford
mailto:nick@zereau.net

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From: Prstev <Prstev@aol.com>

Hello.... My name is Paul and I live in the Brighton area. I would
like to know if there are any organised UFO nightwatches within the
south of England. Also are there any major UFO hotspots in the south,
(ie military airbases). Thanks for your time.....

Paul

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From: JOHN ROBINSON <xxl96@dial.pipex.com>

UFO's Garston nr North Watford

Date Sat 28th feb 1998, area Garston nr North Watford, time about
16:45 on the way to bolwing I and my wife saw something in the sky
which was silver in colour going up and down left and right. We
thought it was a helicopter, but it was doing things that could not
be done. Then came another one and within a second they both
disappeared. Did anyone else report it?


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