United Kingdom Ufo Network - #86 - 13th December 1997 Updated: 21/12/97 
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Editorial Index Updated: 21/12/97
Lynne Bishop's 'A Fearful Symmetry'
Alien song titles
Alien and UFO jokes, yet another request
The Great Toad Mystery

UK News Index Updated: 21/12/97
[UK 1] Object over Bangor North Wales UK
[UK 2] Nazi Saucer!
[UK 3] Freedom of Information plans finalised
[UK 4] Minister orders inquiry after BBC leak
[UK 5] Apologies after BBC reveals secrets
[UK 6] Move on Freedom of Information
[UK 7] Paper to open up Whitehall to public

World News Index Updated: 21/12/97
[W 1] Inventor of jet plane dies
[W 2] Large triangular UFO seen over Santa Barbara Channel, Ca.
[W 3] Mutant Rats
[W 4] Chinese Scholars Tap Physics To Learn About Flying Saucers
[W 5] NASA's Deep Space 1 spacecraft to study Mars
[W 6] UFO enthusiast in N.Y. found unfit to stand trial
[W 7] Judge sends John Ford to N.Y. Mental Hospital
[W 8] Bill wanted UFO probe: Hubbell book
[W 9] Clinton looked for evidence of UFOs
[W 10] Bill's UFO interest is saucer full of secrets at the White House
[W 11] Hacker who broke into Nasa walks free
[W 12] Men in Black intercept 'Phoenix Lights' video footage?
[W 13] Records Destroyed
[W 14] Chile to investigate reported UFO sightings
[W 15] Brazil to Host UFO Forum
[W 16] Brazil - largest UFO meeting ever (December 1997)
[W 17] Military Admits To Having A 'Flying Saucer'

Letters Index Updated: 21/12/97
Scottish Star Wars - they got it partly wrong

Features Index Updated: 21/12/97
A Fearful Symmetry - Part 7

Editorial Section Updated: 21/12/97
UK.UFO.NW would like to thank Lynne Bishop and Bookfinder Publishing for allowing us to continue serialising Lynne's fascinating book 'A Fearful Symmetry'. The response to Lynne's book has been overwhelming.

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Thank you very much to all those of you who wrote in with song title's etc to our recent request. I was amazed at just how many songs were out there either about or mentioning aliens and/or UFOs. The information received is being written up into an article for a near future issue of the e-zine.


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It is often said that ufologists and those interested in the phenomenon find it difficult to laugh at themselves or the subject. This is so true. Now is your chance to change all that albeit slightly. Here is another request for you. There must be text jokes out there about our favourite subject. Collect them up, type them out and send them in. Lets see how many text jokes we can collect. Lets bring a little light heartiness to ufology. As usual when sending text to be published in the e-zine please let us know if you wish to remain anonymous.

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Readers may recall that in the last issue we published our 1997 Skywatch report. In it the below story was mentioned as recalled by Tom:

'Some time ago, an article appeared in a magazine telling of a road crew blasting a tunnel through a mountainside in France. Apparently, after one particular blast, when the dust settled a baby teradactile staggered out of the gloom, coughed once and promptly fell over dead!!!'

Thanks to an observant reader we can reveal the full article relating to this story.

From: David Skinner david@drspc.demon.co.uk
Date sent: Saturday 22nd November 1997

Upon reading the Skywatch report, I too remembered reading of the fossilised Pterodactyl in the rock. After a few moments thought, I recalled where I had read it. It's reproduced below.

From page 147 of the early eighties' periodical "The Unexplained", chapter entitled "The Great Toad Mystery":

In the winter of 1856, French workmen were blasting a tunnel to carry the railway line from Saint-Dizier to Nancy when they came across a monstrous form' in the darkness. They had just split open a huge boulder of 'lias' or Jurassic limestone, when the thing staggered from a cavity within the rock, rattled its wings, gave a hoarse cry, and died without further ado.

It was the size and shape of a large goose, though its head was 'hideous' and its mouth contained sharp teeth. Four long legs ended in hooked talons and were joined by a bat-like membrane, and the skin itself was black, leathery, thick and oily.

Somewhat gingerly, the workmen carried the carcase to the nearby town of Gray where, according to a report in the Illustrated London News of 9 February, 1856, a naturalist, versed in palaeontology, immediately recognised it as belonging to the genus (sic) Pterodactylus anas. The rock strata from which it had come tallied with the era in which pterodactyls flourished, and it was noted that the cavity whence it had emerged formed an exact hollow mould of its body, which indicates that it was completely enveloped with the sedimentary deposit.

UK News Section Updated: 21/12/97
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Source: joel henry jhenry@wavefront.com
From: baylissl@gwent-tertiary.ac.uk

Object over Bangor North Wales UK

Joe Henry - Minnesota MUFON

On Sunday November 16th at 16:10 hrs GMT an object was sighted moving South to North over Bangor North Wales, UK. The object was observed from the upper floor of the University Library. When the object was first sighted it was bright white in colour, then it entered a cloud, when it emerged it was a Yellow/Gold in colour, and had a similarity to the rescue helicopters which operate in the area. But the object showed no characteristic rotor blades or flotation/undercarriage struts port and starboard. It had no flashing warning strobes and no ensignia denoting its origin.

The shape was similar to a tear drop on its side. The motion seemed to be too smooth to be a helicopter or other aircraft. It did not reappear once out of sight. The object was at approximately 500ft with the sun to its starboard. The forward portion of the "fuselage" had a black/dark area which led me to compare it to the Sea King helicopter in the Search and Rescue colours. There was no forward canopy visible. The craft was in sight for approximately 8-10 seconds. I am an experienced ex-military aircraft observer and am proficient in aircraft recognition. Hope this is of some interest to you. Thanks for your time.

uk.ufo.nw is attempting to make further enquiries into this sighting.

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Source: Sci-Fi Channels sightings page
URL: http://www.scifi.com/sightings/
From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)

Nazi Saucer!

Milton Keynes, England, it's not the kind of place where we expect to get new information on real life flying saucers. But after our recent report on a shaped aircraft in Canada, top secret American saucer projects and Germany's development of craft like this during World War II, a SIGHTINGS Researcher received A letter from viewer D. Robin Stowell.

A typesetter by trade, Stowell alerted us to the book, Brighter Than A Thousand Suns. An authoritative history of the race to build the first Atomic Bomb. Stowell typeset the original manuscript nearly forty years ago. And never forgot this brief reference to a Nazi Saucer that could out-maneuver any allied aircraft.

Four decades after publication, Stowell found a copy of the out of print reference book and confirmed what he had long remembered. The footnote describes German Saucers that were forty five yards across, capable of reaching speeds over Mach One and climbing to an elevation of nearly eight miles. Some experts believe that these Nazi Saucers could have been responsible for the legendary Foo Fighter sightings over Europe late in World War II. But if they were, it still does not explain Foo Fighters spotted over the Pacific during the same period.

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uk.ufo.nw says: The below report appeared during the morning of Tuesday 9th December. The next two reports appeared later the same day.

Source: BBC Ceefax
Date: a.m. Tuesday 9th December 1997

Freedom of Information plans finalised

Government freedom of information plans go further than many observers expected a BBC correspondent says.

The Minister responsible, David Clark, is set to unveil the plans this week.

They are understood to include an independent commissioner who can force Government departments to release information which is requested.

But information could be withheld if the commissioner believes it to be in the public interest.

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Source: BBC Ceefax
Date: p.m. Tuesday 9th December 1997

Minister orders inquiry after BBC leak

A Minister has been forced to apologise over leaks of new Government legislation on freedom of information.

It follows a BBC report that a White Paper on the issue goes further than first thought, with plans to make public the workings of Government.

Dr David Clark, the Public Service Minister, apologised to Parliament and said he will investigate the leak.

The White Paper is due to be published on Thursday.

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Source: Teletext
Date: p.m. Tuesday 9th December 1997

Apologies after BBC reveals secrets

Public Service Minister Dr David Clark has apologised to the Commons for the disclosure on the BBC of features of a White Paper not yet published.

The Freedom of Information document should have been kept under wraps.

Dr Clark said: "No one is more annoyed than I," adding that he took the matter "very seriously" and was looking into it.

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Source: Teletext
Date: Thursday 11th December 1997

Move on Freedom of Information

Plans for an Independent Information Commissioner with powers to compel Whitehall to release files to the public are being officially unveiled.

The paper foreshadows a Freedom of Information Act allowing the public to demand information from the Government.

Civil Servants will be banned from evading their duties of disclosure by destroying official records.

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Source: BBC Ceefax
Date: Thursday 11th December 1997

Paper to open up Whitehall to public

Plans for an independent Information Commissioner with powers to compel Whitehall to release files to the public are to be unveiled.

The White Paper is intended to foreshadow a Freedom of Information Act.

This will ensure for the first time in law the right of the public to demand information from the Government.

Details of the paper were leaked on Tuesday forcing Public Services Minister David Clark to apologise.

World News Section Updated: 21/12/97
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Source: Teletext World News
Date: 21st November 1997

Inventor of jet plane dies

Germany: Carl Neubronner, inventor of the jet plane in 1912, has died at the age of 101.

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From: "A.J. Craddock" webmaster@cseti.org
Date: Sunday 16th November 1997

Large triangular UFO seen over Santa Barbara Channel, Ca.

At approximately 10:05 pm on Friday 14th November, Dr. Ted Loder and Tony Craddock were checking out new nightscopes from Tony's house overlooking the Santa Barbara Channel. Ted was using an ITT Night Mariner (Model G3) and Tony a Litton NightMate (Model Nav3) each with a light magnification of 30,000 to 50,000x.

They both happened to be looking through the nightscopes at Jupiter, which was about ten degrees above the horizon and over the island of San Miguel. Simultaneously they both saw a set of lights near Jupiter in the shape of a large triangle silently flying eastward down the Santa Barbara Channel. They followed it for about six seconds until it disappeared behind some trees. Both realized that the visible lights were on the outside edges of a large craft which was not itself visible in the night scopes.

A few seconds after the initial recognition, both saw the craft tilt slightly on its side so that its triangular shape could be more clearly seen. Its shape was delineated by five to eight lights along its edges clearly visible through the nightscopes. Ted Loder counted five or six lights in the shape of a triangle seen partly on its side, while Tony Craddock saw an additional one or two lights in the center towards the rear, making it appear chevron or boomerang shaped. Tony had the clearer nightscope which may explain why he was able to see the extra lights. Both had the impression that it was not lights independently flying in formation but a solid craft. The length of the craft appeared to be longer than the sword on Orion's belt and shorter than Orion's belt itself.

The craft was not visible with the naked eye and was not seen by the two other people who were present without nightscopes.

It was later estimated that the craft traveled through a visible arc of 75 degrees in about 6 seconds. It was estimated that the craft was at a distance of 5-10 miles, which would have meant it was traveling at approximately 4000-8000 mph.

Both Ted Loder and Tony Craddock are members of CSETI (Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence), and attended CSETI's Congressional Briefing on UFO/ET in Washington DC on April 9th of this year. Dr. Loder is a Professor of Earth Sciences at the University of New Hampshire. Tony Craddock is President of an international petroleum consulting company and co-ordinates Santa Barbara's CSETI Working Group.

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Source: Teletext World News
Date: 24th November 1997

Mutant Rats

Chile: An ecology group has warned of 2ft long "mutant" rats that have attacked barnyard animals in Santiago.

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Source: Wall Street Journal
Publish Date: Friday 7th November 1997
From: baylissl@gwent-tertiary.ac.uk

Chinese Scholars Tap Physics To Learn About Flying Saucers

By KATHY CHEN

Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

BEIJING -- In ever-changing China, which in places has rocketed from agrarian poverty to urban modernity in less than a decade, nothing seems impossible these days.

Not even UFOs.

That may explain why 60-year-old Sun Shili, professor of international trade at Beijing's University of International Business and Economics, is holding court at China's hallowed Academy of Science along with a South Korean delegation from something called the Embassy of Extraterrestrials.

Mr. Sun poses with a dress-up alien

In the West, unidentified flying objects and alien abductions are the stuff of Hollywood pulp and supermarket tabloids. But in China, UFOs are a matter of great national importance. Prof. Sun's group, the Chinese UFO Research Association, receives government grants, and its members include some of the nation's most respected scientists and academics -- even Communist Party officials.

These enthusiasts aren't merely trying to prove the existence of UFOs: They are attempting to figure out what makes them fly and then harness that power for everyday use in China.

"UFOs are faster than any airplane or car," Prof. Sun explains. "We hope to use the UFO phenomenon to resolve China's energy and efficiency problems." The professor, who once worked as a translator for Mao Tse-tung, adds that while "the focus of foreign UFO studies on sightings is a little passive," in China "we've always linked our research with science."

Of course, classifying the study of UFOs as "science" protects Prof. Sun and his group from Communist Party prohibitions against engaging in superstition. And China does have its official skeptics: Ji Fusheng, general director of the Department of Basic Research and High Technology of the China Association for Science and Technology, says "the study of UFOs does no harm, but I believe it won't have any concrete results."

Yo-Yo Mao

A serious scholar with a dignified air, Prof. Sun experienced what he says was his first and only close encounter in 1969, when he spotted a bright orb bouncing like a yo-yo above the horizon during a Maoist learn-from-the-peasants campaign at a rural cooperative. Not having heard of flying saucers, "I thought it was a Soviet reconnaissance plane," he recounts. Mr. Sun only considered the other-worldly possibilities of his sighting after the author of a Spanish-language book on UFOs sent him a copy to translate. At the time, Mr. Sun was working for the government, even translating for Mao during meetings with Spanish-speaking dignitaries.

Before long, Mr. Sun had become the nation's leading UFO expert. He attended official conferences organized and funded by the government. A vice premier, Yao Yilin, wrote a commentary in 1980 urging the Chinese to respect his findings.

Sitting in his Beijing apartment in a study crammed with UFO books, Mr. Sun recounts how he helped transform the nation's UFO association from a science-fiction club, founded at Wuhan University in 1979, into a nationwide organization with 5,000 members.

One of his first moves after taking the helm in 1986 was to use his connections in government and academia to move the association's membership away from mostly students and laborers. He stepped up contact with the outside world, attending international conferences and posing for photos with dress-up aliens. Today, he brags, "80% of our members are college graduates or above."

Gao Ge is characteristic of the members Prof. Sun has been trying to recruit. The 52-year-old scientist at Beijing Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics holds three Chinese patents and one U.S. patent for aerospace-related advances, as well as China's National First-Class Invention prize for his research on improving the efficiency of jet engines. Ever since spotting what he says was an orange UFO in Miami, where he was a visiting professor at Florida Atlantic University in 1990, Mr. Gao has been trying to build his own. What he envisions is an ellipsoid with tiny wings that he says can take off vertically and move like an alien spaceship, albeit at subsonic speed.

Beds and Dragonfly Wings

Mr. Gao says he has test-flown a wooden prototype with the dimensions of a king-size bed. He is confident that, someday, with his craft's maneuverability and energy-saving "vortex generator" (a device that creates lift much like dragonfly wings) "you won't need airplanes anymore." He can't offer much more than a description, however: He says Beijing Institute has labeled his invention top secret and has banned him from showing even blueprints to outsiders.

Strolling by a lily pond at a senior citizens' recreation center in the southern city of Guiyang, another UFO buff and association member, Ma Ruian, 54, envisions a future filled with superfast submarines, floating cars and energy-saving ships shaped like flounders -- all gunned by his patented flying globe.

Mr. Ma conducts some of his experiments on this pond, using rudimentary models to test his theory. He believes that by redirecting air or water flow, his globe can decrease resistance, significantly speed up moving objects and save energy. To demonstrate, he releases a balloon fit with a special plug that controls the outrush of air. The balloon moves fast as it deflates, but Prof. Sun has his doubts about Mr. Ma's theory. "It could be a little exaggeration that the globe's speed could exceed that of a rocket," the professor says.

Fountain of Youth?

Perhaps the boldest dream belongs to Liu Zhongkai, 47, an official at the Beijing Meteorological Bureau with wild eyes and vertical hair. Patent authorities are weighing whether or not to register his invention, which he describes as a magnetic field that produces as much as a third more energy than it requires to run. Among other things, he claims, his magnetic field can alter time. "If you live to be 100 on Earth, in my UFO you will be able to live at least 100,000 years," he says.

Tinkering with his contraption -- two steel bars with coils of copper wire at each end -- Mr. Liu says his self-generating energy machine "is what UFOs must use to fly long distances because they can't use gas. It's a simple logic thing."

Which, of course, begs the question: How do these scientists know what makes a UFO run, since none claims to have ever been inside one?

"I've studied many photographs of UFOs," Mr. Ma says with a shrug. "In physics, you can work backward to figure out the theory."

That isn't to say the quest isn't tough. Says Mr. Sun: "Working with UFOs is more complicated than translating for Mao."

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Source: The Associated Press
Date: 19th November 1997
From: baylissl@gwent-tertiary.ac.uk

NASA's Deep Space 1 spacecraft to study Mars

By JANE E. ALLEN

PASADENA, Calif. (AP) - Slowly accelerating through space with a solar-powered engine, NASA's $141 million Deep Space 1 spacecraft will test a dozen new technologies for future missions.

DS1, the first in NASA's New Millennium series, is set for launch next July on a two-year mission. The 5-foot-high workhorse will cruise past an asteroid, Mars and a comet, doing scientific work with several compact, lightweight and highly efficient new instruments.

Seven members of the science team held a briefing Tuesday to discuss the spacecraft's advanced technologies, including a solar electric propulsion system.

In January 1999, the spacecraft will pass within 5 miles of an asteroid named for Christa McAuliffe, the New Hampshire teacher killed by the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger. It will snap pictures, analyze the asteroid's surface composition and brightness, and monitor effects of the solar wind.

In April 2000, DS1 will pass by Mars, conducting tests while it uses the planet for a gravity assist manoeuvre to fling it on a path toward the comet West-Kohoutek-Ikemura.

Once it catches up with the comet, it will study its solid nucleus and surrounding cloud of gas and dust.

The mission also offers ``a long-overdue opportunity to flight-test ion propulsion,'' said Joseph Wang, who runs the propulsion group at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena.

An array of 720 lenses will focus sunlight on solar panels to produce electricity to power the ion propulsion engine. Inside the engine, atoms of xenon gas are given positive charges, then exposed to a negative electrical field that attracts and shoots them out the back of the spacecraft. The result is a gradual build up of speed over many months.

The propulsion method is 10 times more efficient than burning fuel, ``but the thrust is extremely gentle,'' said Marc D. Rayman, the project's chief mission engineer at JPL. He compared the engine's thrust to the weight of a piece of paper in your hand.

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Source: Deseret News Archives, Salt Lake City
Publish Date: 14th November 1997
From: baylissl@gwent-tertiary.ac.uk

UFO enthusiast in N.Y. found unfit to stand trial

John Ford, a UFO enthusiast accused of masterminding a plot to assassinate three political officials in Suffolk County, was found unfit to stand trial on Thursday. A judge ordered that he be sent to an upstate psychiatric institution for at least a year.

Ford, 48, was arrested a year ago on charges that he was scheming to kill the three officials by putting radium in their cars and lacing their toothpaste with radioactive metal.

Investigators said Ford wanted the three officials killed because he believed they were interfering with his efforts to contact aliens from outer space. Ford's friends said he believed that visitors from outer space had crash-landed on Long Island and that government officials were keeping the aliens at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton and had created diversionary fires in Long Island's Pine Barrens to conceal the crash landings.

uk.ufo.nw says: You can find the full reports and articles regarding the above John Ford case in our back-issues numbers{57} & {67}. Visit our web site at:

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Select the button: FTP Back-Issues

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Source: Newsday (Long Island) newspaper
Publish Date: 14th November 1997

Judge sends John Ford to N.Y. Mental Hospital

A Suffolk County Court judge ordered ufologist John Ford, president of the Long Island UFO Network (LIUFON) to be sent to an upstate New York mental hospital on Thursday, November 13, 1997.

Ford, 49, was arrested June 15, 1996 by police of Suffolk County, Long Island, "on charges that he was seeking to kill three officials by putting radium in their cars and lacing their toothpaste with radioactive material."

The grand jury indicted Ford on charges of conspiracy and possession of radioactive materials. Ford has been held in jail without bail bond for the past seventeen months.

"Three psychiatrists and a psychologist, two hired by District Attorney James M. Catterson Jr.'s office, examined John Ford and all four concluded that the former court officer (the defendant--J.T.) isn't competent to stand trial."

"In one report, Robert H. Berger, director of Forensic Psychiatry at Bellevue Hospital Center (in New York City-- J.T.), said that while Ford seemed to understand his legal predicament, he thinks 'the criminal case against him is in reality an intelligence operation being run by the CIA together with the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad.'"

"Ford, 49, of Bellport (N.Y.) is charged with conspiring to kill Suffolk Couty Republican chairman John Powell, legislator Fred Towle (R-Shirley) and Brookhaven public safety director Anthony Gazzola by putting radium in their cars and toothpaste."

"Ford is expected to be transferred from the Suffolk County jail in Riverhead to the upstate Mid-Hudson Psychiatric Center in New Hampton (N.Y.) next week. He will return to Suffolk to face the criminal charges if doctors there determine he is competent to stand trial."

"Ford's lawyer, John Rouse, has maintained that the only reason Catterson brought charges against Ford for the plot (was) that prominent Republicans were the target. 'If the threats were against you or I, John (Ford) would be walking the streets like an average citizen,' Rouse said."

Ford and LIUFON had conducted an ongoing investigation of doings at the Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island since a UFO incident near the lab back in 1994. Ford reportedly "said he believed that visitors from outer space had crash-landed on Long Island and that government officials were hiding the aliens at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton."

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Source: The New York Post
Publish Date: 23rd November 1997

Bill wanted UFO probe: Hubbell book

By DEBORAH ORIN

President Clinton was intrigued by UFOs and wanted to know if they really existed, says a new book by his golfing pal, disgraced Justice Department official Webb Hubbell.

Hubbell says finding out about UFOs was one of the top priorities Clinton gave him in sending him over to a job as one of Attorney General Janet Reno's top deputies.

Clinton had said, "if I put you over at Justice I want you to find the answers to two questions for me," Hubbell recounts.

"One, who killed JFK. And two, are there UFOs."

"Clinton was dead serious. I had looked into both, but wasn't satisfied with the answers I was getting," Hubbell adds.

Hubbell describes his failure to find out about JFK and UFOs as a big regret when he had to resign as associate attorney general and pleaded guilty to bilking law clients of $482,000.

Whitewater figure Jim McDougal has said Hubbell - who worked closely with Mrs. Clinton and former White House lawyer Vincent Foster at Little Rock's Rose law Firm - "knows where the bodies are buried" on the land deal, but he stays pretty closed-mouthed in the book "Friends in High Places."

The book touched off a courtroom battle when Whitewater counsel Ken Starr tried to subpoena early drafts. Starr backed off, and in any case Hubbell's book insists he can't remember much.

But Hubbell does toss out a tantalizing aside in examining why Bill Clinton decided against running for president in 1988: a remark from Hillary that, "We've got to straighten up Whitewater."

The book portrays Hillary Clinton as an ambitious woman who dreamed of succeeding her husband as Arkansas governor and paints Bill Clinton as someone unable to face his wife on whether she should use his last name or hers.

Hubbell recounts that in 1981, after Clinton got beaten for re-election as Arkansas governor - a campaign in which his wife's use of her maiden name, Rodham, was an issue - he asked Hubbell to press her to change her name.

He quotes Clinton as saying: "She needs to do this ... Webb, you're her friend. Will you talk to her about it?"

Hubbell says he did so and Mrs. Clinton agreed - "but I suspect it hurt for some reasons she's never understood herself."

Later in 1990, Hillary Clinton seriously talked of running to succeed her husband as Arkansas governor when Bill Clinton seemed bored with the job, he adds.

"Hillary had actually floated her candidacy past Vince Foster and me in the event that Bill didn't run," writes Hubbell, then a law partner of Mrs. Clinton's and Foster's.

"We questioned whether if the reason Bill wasn't running was he had been in office too long, voters would think they were just getting the same thing."

Hubbell adds that Mrs. Clinton "talked about how it might energize a new generation of females in the state, and when she said that, I knew she was really thinking about it."

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Source: Electronic Telegraph
Publish Date: Monday 24th November 1997
From: Stuart Lester slester@email.msn.com

Clinton looked for evidence of UFOs

By Charles Laurence in New York

PRESIDENT Clinton is a believer that there might indeed be UFOs, according to a Little Rock associate. When he appointed his friend Webster Hubbell to a job in the Justice Department, he told him he wanted him to go through government records, and find out if UFOs existed. He also wanted to know who really assassinated President John Kennedy.

The startling insight into Mr Clinton's convictions comes in Friends in High Places, a book by Mr Hubbell, who was the President's golfing partner in Arkansas, and left the government in disgrace after pleading guilty to milking clients of his legal practice of $482,000 (293,000). He reveals that the President made the UFOs a priority when he appointed him as an associate attorney general.

He writes: "Clinton had said, 'I want you to find the answers to two questions for me. One, who killed JFK. And, two, are there UFOs?' Clinton was dead serious. I had looked into both but wasn't satisfied with the answers."

When it was first announced that Mr Hubbell was writing a book, there was controversy because it was believed that he knew the secrets of Whitewater. The Whitewater special prosecutor, Kenneth Starr, tried to subpoena drafts. However, he backed down, and, in the book, Mr Hubbell says he can remember little.

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Source: New York Post
Publish Date: 4th December 1997

Bill's UFO interest is saucer full of secrets at the White House

By Deborah Orin

WELCOME to the great White House UFO cover-up.

All the president's men seem quite embarrassed by the revelation - from disgraced First Pal Webb Hubbell - that President Clinton asked him to use his top Justice Department post to find out if UFOs exist.

After all, the president as UFO maven isn't exactly Clinton's dream image. Some might even find it laughable - remember how Dems tittered over Nancy Reagan's fascination with astrology?

And so, White House spokesman Mike McCurry is doing a full stonewall - he refuses to say whether Hubbell is telling the truth. What is amazing - and appalling - is that the White House press corps is letting him get away with it. As Hubbell tells it in his new book, Clinton sent him to Justice with this mandate as a personal priority: "I want you to find the answers to two questions for me. One, Who killed JFK? And two, Are there UFOs?"

Lest anyone think this was a jest, Hubbell adds: "He ^Clinton_ was dead serious. I had looked into both, but wasn't satisfied with the answers I was getting." In fact, Hubbell conceded on CNN last weekend that he was serious enough to ask about UFOs when he met with officials at NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado, which monitors satellites and other objects in the skies.

"They said no," Hubbell reported. Presumably, this was one of the answers that didn't satisfy him.

Hubbell ought to know if Clinton was serious. The disgraced ex-associate attorney general is Hillary Clinton's former law partner and was Bill Clinton's golfing buddy before Hubbell admitted bilking law clients out of $482,000 and went to jail.

It's easy to see that Hubbell's revelation poses a big problem for the Clinton team.

To confirm it would be to paint Clinton as a bit of a UFO nut (and JFK conspiracy theorist) and invite ridicule from late-night comics.

But it would be dumb and dumber for Clinton aides to call Hubbell a liar. That would hand Whitewater prober Ken Starr a weapon, as he seems to be out to prove Hubbell is lying when he denies the fat fees Clinton aides arranged for him were really hush money.

Besides, Hubbell is loyally insisting - despite a stint in jail and the risk of another one - that the Clintons did nothing at all wrong regarding Whitewater or anything else. That's not the kind of ally whom you want to tick off by calling him a liar.

So McCurry did an all-out stonewall when he was asked if Hubbell is right in saying Clinton has a UFO fascination: "I am not going to respond to the specific things in books that are written."

Huh? "A lot of people are going to write books in the course of the next several years ... I'm just not going to respond to each and every thing that occurs in any of these books," McCurry insisted.

Oh, wonderful. Books are now off-limits - a kind of v-chip to screen out messy questions. Just imagine if Mayor Giuliani insisted he wouldn't answer any questions about, say, bus advertisements. The press would skewer him.

Or imagine if Ronald Reagan's spokesmen had dared refuse to answer questions on books. After all, Nancy Reagan's astrologist popped up in - what else? - a book. Written by ex-Reagan Chief of Staff Don Regan, who was a known enemy of Mrs. Reagan.

No one would have stood for the no-books nonsense if Reagan's team had tried it. But McCurry did, and only a few members of the White House press corps protested - everyone else just giggled or rolled over and played dead.

Which does show you something about the degree to which the Clinton White House has perfected the art of stonewalling.

The Clintons will be back in New York next week, of course, to pass the cup for still more money for the broke Democratic Party. Word is it'll be a unique Clinton husband-and-wife tag-team effort.

First, on Tuesday night, Hillary Clinton is slated to star at a Women's Leadership Forum. Next day, the president passes the cup.

There's also supposed to be a "message event," but no word on what it might be. That's the supposed policy event on which the White House likes to piggyback fund-raising trips.

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Source: The Times newspaper
Publish Date: 22nd November 1997

Hacker who broke into Nasa walks free

Prosecutors say case was no threat to security, writes Stephen Farrell.

A COMPUTER hacker charged with breaking into United States Air Force computers causing damage estimated at Pounds 300,000 walked free from court yesterday.

Mathew Bevan, 23, smiled as he left Belmarsh Crown Court, southeast London, with representatives of a tabloid newspaper six months after a London teenager, Richard Pryce, was fined Pounds 1,200 for admitting similar offences.

Prosecutors decided it was not in the public interest to pursue a costly case expected to last up to three months involving witnesses flown from America to give evidence against Bevan, the son of a Fraud Squad detective.

The decision comes three and a half years after two hackers codenamed Kuji and Datastream Cowboy used the Internet to penetrate Rome Laboratories, the US Air Force's premier command and control research facility at Griffiss Base in New York.

Sources close to the US investigation said the intrusions had "serious implications" but did not involve national security. According to a report to the US Senate Affairs Committee the intruders gained access in March 1994 to unclassified files held at Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Centre and computers belonging to Lockheed.

Pryce, then 16, from Colindale, North London, who went on to win a scholarship to study the double bass at the Royal College of Music, was fined after he admitted 12 charges of gaining unauthorised access under the Computer Misuse Act. Magistrates were told he "caused more harm than the KGB".

Another institution allegedly penetrated by the pair was Wright- Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, where wilder elements among UFO conspiracy theorists believe alien spacecraft are secretly held.

Bevan, who cheerfully acknowledges being obsessed with aliens, nevertheless denied three charges of gaining unwarranted access to USAF and Lockheed computers between March and May 1994.

The charges related to the alteration of data by the alleged insertion of a "sniffer" program designed to gain access to systems.

The investigation was carried out by Scotland Yard's Computer Crime Unit and the US Air Force's Office of Special Investigations (OSI). Initial charges of conspiracy against the pair were dropped at an earlier hearing.

Pony-tailed Bevan, an X Files addict, obsessed with UFOs, lived a twin existence and saw himself as the Nick Leeson of the hacking world.

An Admiral Insurance computer operator by day, at night he sat beneath posters of his fictional FBI heroes, Mulder and Scully, hacking around the world as real-life American investigators on his electronic trail suspected him of being one of the most sophisticated and dangerous hackers they had ever encountered.

In an interview with The Times Bevan admitted gaining access to computers belonging to the US Air Force, Nasa and the defence contractors Lockheed, but adamantly denied ever altering data.

He insists his motive was curiosity, not personal gain. "I was after information about UFOs. I just wanted to find evidence of all the conspiracy theories - alien abductions, the 1947 Roswell landings and Nasa faking the moon landings - and where better to look than their computer files?" he said. "The US Air Force posts details of its personnel and network addresses on the Internet so anything you want you can get if you know how. It was a challenge."

One source close to the American investigation, however, said: "At one stage they were connected to Latvia and the South Korean Atomic Research Institute, which raised serious concerns about the former Eastern Bloc and information warfare." Bevan was 12 when he was given a Sinclair ZX81 for Christmas from his parents, Elaine, a nurse, and Thomas, a detective sergeant with the South Wales Fraud Squad.

Despite spending up to 36 hours at a time on the keyboard the family telephone bills never exceeded Pounds 60 because he mastered the technique of "blue-boxing", gaining free calls by sending electronic pulses down the line to trick BT software into thinking a call was over. His Holy Grail was to prove that alien spacecraft are stored in conditions of strict secrecy at Area 51 of Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio - as suggested in the film Independence Day . Although he claims to have seen convincing evidence of their presence, no evidence is forthcoming.

Pryce was arrested at his parents home in Colindale in May 1994 and Bevan in June last year. All his equipment was seized, leading, he admits, to withdrawal symptoms. "It is all about control, really. I'm in my little room with my little computer breaking into the biggest computers in the world and suddenly I have more control over this machine than them. That is where the buzz comes from. Anyone who says they are a reformed hacker is talking rubbish. If you are a hacker, you are always a hacker. It's a state of mind." uk.ufo.nw says: The below report appeared in issue {73} of the e-zine.

Source: Today@NASA Date: 6th March 1997

Yes, it's true. We got hacked. We're back.

At noon EST on March 5, hackers got into the server that houses the main NASA Web page, www.nasa.gov, and replaced it with a page of their own design. The replacement page, which was available for about 30 minutes, contained a diatribe against commercialization of the Internet and protested the criminal prosecution of two hackers. After system administrators assessed the damage (none beyond the affected page) and did some other work to prevent a recurrence, the server was back online at 9:30 a.m. March 6. Apologies to those who were unable to access desired pages.

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Source: Fox10 News
Transmission Date: 18th November 1997
From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)

Men in Black intercept 'Phoenix Lights' video footage?

(transcribed from a FOX10 NEWS (Phx.) report reported by Jim Schnebelt)

FROM THE FOX-10 '10 files'...

(on screen: stock "Phoenix Lights" footage, of lights suspended in sky)

voiceover: Months after this (March 13) sighting there are many questions regarding the strange lights over Phoenix. Is this a solid craft, or merely lights in an empty sky?

What could be the conclusive evidence is now mysteriously missing.

Richard Curtis claims his home video is proof that this sighting was a huge flying craft. And he claims his video shows a solid object in the sky passing over his home.

(on screen: cut to head shot of Curtis.)

Curtis: I saw the bottom part (of the craft) as it went over Phoenix, because the lights lit the bottom of it, and it partially blocked out the clouds and the stars.

voiceover: Curtis called city councilwoman Frances Emma Barwood, wanting to show her the footage.B
(on screen: cut to head shot of Barwood)

Barwood: He said he had it on two videotapes, and would I like them, so I said, "Of course I would.", and could he give me copies of them. He said he would. I told him how to get them to my office and to mark them 'personal and confidential'.

(on screen: cheesy slo-mo video "re-enactment" of Men in Black walking about)

voiceover: But before Curtis could send copies to Barwood, he's paid a visit by two mysterious men in black.

Curtis:(voiced over MIB reenactments) They were dressed in black suits, with black hats and sunglasses. They asked me if I had tapes for coucilwoman Barwood, and I said "Yah, they're laying right here." They said, "We've stopped by to pick them up." So I said, "Great!" and just handed (the original tapes) to them.

(on screen: cut to head shot of Barwood)

Barwood: I didn't get them, and I have no idea who these two men were since I have just females working in my office. Its absolutely puzzling to me.

(on screen: cut to slo-mo MIB, one of them now holding videotapes...(!) )

voiceover: Did the tapes ever exist, and if so were they proof of more than "lights" in the sky? And who were these mysterious Men in Black who allegedly took them?

(as slo-mo MIB vid continues...)

Curtis (voiced over): I think someone listened in on that phone call and wanted those tapes.

Barwood (voiced over): I can't explain it. Its just eerie.

Voiceover: The mystery continues. Jim Schnebelt, Fox-10 News.

end story, cut to anchor

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Source: USA Today
Publish Date: 20th November 1997

Records Destroyed

The (USA's) National Archives and the Navy blame each other for the inadvertent destruction of records chronicling what the Archives calls "some of the most significant technical achievements in the 20th Century."

The 4,200 scientific notebooks and 600 boxes of correspondence and technical memos of the Naval Research Laboratory were "pulped beyond recognition," the Archives said. Some records were of rocket development, the early space program and development of radar.

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Source: BBC World Service
Publish Date: Wednesday 19th November 1997

Chile to investigate reported UFO sightings

The Chilean airforce has set up a special committee to investigate reported sightings of unidentified flying objects, or UFOs.

A government spokesman said reputable sources -- such as pilots and air traffic controllers -- had sometimes reported seeing objects for which there was no immediate explanation.

The committee, he said, would attempt to determine whether or not the objects were naturally-occurring phenomena.

There are said to have been about sixty incidents this year alone.

In May a convention of UFO experts was held in the Chilean capital, Santiago.

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Source: CNN News
Date: Sunday 7th December 1997

Brazil to Host UFO Forum

Brasilia will host the 1st World Forum of Ufology from December 7 to 14, the Rio de Janeiro-based Periodico de Comercio daily reported today.

The term ufology refers to the Unidentified Flying Object, or popularly known as the UFO.

Nearly 60 specialists from the United States, Russia and Latin America are scheduled to join the event.

Organizers said the forum will be based on the conviction that the increasing number of people who have witnessed some kind of phenomenon related to UFOs, or that can be described as UFOs, is enough evidence to give it official acknowledgment.

In June 24, 1947, an American businessman reported he saw a flying "saucer- shaped" object. It was the first time the world heard about UFOs. Since then, civil and military pilots reportedly have claimed to have seen such "aircraft."

The date of the first UFO report, 50 years ago, will be commemorated at the forum in Brazil.

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Source: BBC
Publish Date: Sunday 7th December 1997

Brazil - largest UFO meeting ever (December 1997)

Close encounters of an extra-terrestial kind
Grainy photos, allegedly of flying saucers, have failed to prove the existence of UFO's.

International scientists have gathered in the Brazilian capital, Brasilia, for a week-long conference which aims to take a serious look at unidentified flying objects.

The conference has been billed as the largest gathering of its kind, with more than 50 top UFO researchers from across the world expected to take part. The theory that intelligent beings have visited or are visiting Planet Earth has attracted its share of eccentrics.

But ufologists, as they call themselves, want the United Nations to recognise their science as a legitimate subject for study.

Mars fragment rekindled debate over extra-terrestrial life.

The discovery of fossilised micro-organisms in a tiny fragment of a meteorite from Mars has rekindled the debate over extra-terrestrial life. According to Nasa scientists, the fossilised remains are the first scientific proof that life can exist elsewhere.

I want to believe.

The popularity of science fiction films like Hollywood's Men in Black and television series like The X Files are a testimony to our fascination with the subject of extra-terrestial life.

A recent poll in the United States showed that some 60% of people believe in the existence of intelligent life-forms in space.

'Take me to your leader'

Despite decades of grainy photographs of flying saucers and other supposed space ships, the existence of UFOs has never been proven.

A recently declassified CIA document claims that many of the UFO sightings were experimental jets and the top secret spy planes of their day.

Rational explanations often fall on deaf ears. Ufology is a science which lends itself to conspiracy theories and claims of massive government cover-ups.

The town of Roswell in New Mexico claims to be the sight of an UFO crash landing in 1947 in which the bodies of aliens were found. It has built a thriving tourist trade around its extra-terrestial connection and even boasts a UFO museum.

Speakers from across the world

The list of international speakers invited:
Antonio Las Heras (Argentina)
Barry Chamish (Israel)
Bob Brown (USA)
Bud Hopkins (USA)
Colin Andrews ( England)
Cynthia Hind (Zimbabwe)
Darush Bagheri (Iran)
Derrel Sims (USA)
Donald Ware (USA)
Edgar Mitchel (USA)
G C Schellhorn (USA)
Gbor Tarcali (Hungary)
Glennys Mackay (Australia)
Graham Birdsall (England)
Jaime Maussan ( Mexico)
Jaime Rodriguez (Ecuador)
James Hurtak (USA)
Javier Cabrera Darquea (Peru)
Javier Sierra (Spain)
Jerome Clark (USA)
Jesse Marcel Junior (USA)
Joaquim Fernandes (Portugal)
John Carpenter (USA)
John Mack (USA)
Johsen Takano (Japan)
Jorge Alfonso Ramirez (Paraguay)
Jorge Martin (Port Rico)
Leo Sprinkle (USA)
Leonard Nimoy (USA)
Linda Howe (USA)
Mario Dussuel (Chile)
Mark Carlotto (USA)
Mauricio Baiata (Italy)
Michael Hesemann (Germany)
Per Andersen (Denmark)
Richard Hoagland (USA)
Robert Bauval (England)
Robert Dean (USA)
Roberto Banchs (Argentina)
Roberto Pinotti (Italy)
Rodrigo Fuenzalida (Chile)
Ryszard Fiejtek (Poland)
S. O. Svensson (Sweden)
Stanton Friedman (Canada)
Sun-Shi Li (China)
Timo Koskeniemmi (Finland)
Tony Dodd (England)
Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos (Spain)
Walter Andrus ( USA)
Wendelle Stevens (USA)
Yuri Guerassimov (Russia)
Yves Bosson (France)
Yvonne Smith (USA)

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Source: Ross Dowe, National UFO Hotline NZ
From: Eric Howarth: erich@cycor.ca
Date: 17th November 1997
From: 'Sightings On The Radio' web page:
http://www.sightings.com/

Military Admits To Having A 'Flying Saucer'

FORT BENNING, Ga. -- The truth may be out there for UFO conspiracy buffs, but here military officials admit flying saucers have taken over the skies.

The U.S. Army has been test-flying the CYPHER Unmanned Aerial Vehicle - a doughnut-shaped aircraft - for the past six years at the military post just outside of Columbus.

CYPHER uses two sets of rotating blades that are mounted in the aircraft's center to propel the machine. Hence, giving the aircraft its whirring sound and UFO look.

The aircraft's design allows it to hover over an area for as long as the fuel lasts. That capability distinguishes it from other unmanned aircraft currently being tested, said Mike Barnes, project director at the military post.

CYPHER, which earned its name because of its ability to decode underground structures and secret tunnels, was created by Sikorsky Aircraft Inc. in Los Angeles.

``The uses are absolutely endless,'' said test pilot Pvt. Brent Satterfield of Fort McClellan, Ala. ``If we had a hostage situation, we could use an infrared camera (in the CYPHER) to find out where everyone is in the house, where the exits are, and then we can plan out a better plan of attack.'' The aircraft could also be used to drop off supplies to soldiers or disburse unruly crowds without subjecting pilots to danger, Barnes said.
``We take these technologies and put them in the hands of soldiers and see if they can help them perform their mission,'' he said. But Barnes and military officials admit, it's the CYPHER's covert capabilities that make it even more appealing.

Inside the CYPHER, a video camera and a navigation computer - similar to those used in cruise missiles - would allow the military to survey enemy territory and areas attacked by poison gas or other hazardous bombs.
Sikorsky, which also manufactured the UH-1 Huey and UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters, also made room for a pilot onboard the CYPHER.

During a test flight Tuesday, Spc. Jacob Terrell, 21, flew the CYPHER over a crowd of cardboard dummies and hovered 150 feet above the ground before releasing canisters of smoke - simulating tear gas.

``It was just like a computer game. It's extremely easy to fly,'' Terrell said. If Army officials in Washington approve of the aircraft, CYPHER engineers say they can build the aircraft in a variety of sizes - from a 40-pound model that can be carried in a backpack to the size of a cargo helicopter. A price tag has not yet been set and officials would not comment on the price of the prototype.

While military officials and Columbus police say they have yet to receive reports of UFO sightings when the CYPHER is tested,engineers and military officials laugh at theories fueled by the Internet and television shows, such as Fox's ``X-Files,'' that such technology is alien in origin.

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National UFO
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Letters Updated: 21/12/97
Scottish Star Wars - they got it partly wrong

uk.ufo.nw says: Readers will remember the sensational story from the last issue of the e-zine {85} in which the Sun newspaper printed witnesses reports of UFO battle's over Scotland. The main witness to these sightings was David Ledger. Dave wrote us the following letter - putting the record straight -

From: Dave Ledger dledger@cableinet.co.uk
Date: Thursday 20th November 1997

Hi again Dave,

Many thanks for your letter. In relation to the newspaper article in the Sun paper that you speak of..........I strongly suggest that it is not taken too seriously as the original story has been twisted and totally sensationalised by the press.

If you haven't visited my site yet and would like to know the real story which prompted the newspaper interest, you will find it all there. I have included an article from our local paper also which is far more accurate than the Sun's story.

Our sighting experiences were indeed spectacular, but not as fantastic as the sun made them out to be. There was no excuse for this as the whole interview was done over two days with lengthy phone calls, involving seven of the nine witnesses. Surely in that length of time they would have got the jist of it. I personally spoke to them the most and was very careful with what I said etc. I have had press experiences with my band in the past and I know full well, what they are capable of. However, my caution obviously failed, in my attempt to get a good clear account of what really did happen, in the press.

Still, on a positive note, it did draw a lot of people out to come forward with their stories, which probably would not have happened if we hadn't have spoke out about what we saw.

Dave Ledger (UFO Scotland)
http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/dledger

A Fearful Symmetry - Part 7 Updated: 21/12/97
A FEARFUL SYMMETRY Copyright 1995 by D. Lynne Bishop

All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical including photocopying, recording or otherwise without prior permission of the publisher, except by a reviewer who may quote brief passages.

First Printing September 1995

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---
CHAPTER 8

At the conclusion of my sister's regression, the hypnotherapist had again cautioned her about the necessity of not sharing any details of the session with Mother, until after September 6, the date of Mother's next session. The memories retrieved at this

I had already discovered, through the progression of my search for answers, that for every query sufficiently explained, many more unsolved mysteries rushed in to fill the void. I was learning to live with the inevitable frustration caused by this--but

With this thought firmly entrenched, my husband and some friends of ours decided to take matters into our own hands. If the spaceship would not come to us, perhaps we could go to the spaceship. On a crystal-clear night, we packed up all the gear needed

As the sky darkened, our small group drew nearer together. Suddenly, someone quietly said, "There's something up there, directly overhead." Four pairs of eyes immediately swung upward, focusing on a large, white spot of light. There were no other ligh

September 6 arrived, and we made the pilgrimage yet again to Springfield. The route had become so familiar by now, we almost felt the car could be put on auto-pilot. Still, we watched the skies for silver discs, and alternately, our watches for indicat

John and Ann welcomed our crew, as we disembarked from the car, and entered the office. Again, there was a lengthy pre-hypnosis interview, and the excerpts follow:

John: . . . Tell us that story, now.

Frances: Well, anyhoo, when I was little--somewhere between five and seven--we lived in Houston. At that time Houston was a small city. There were many roads out to the forest. We used to go nut hunting, right on the environs. We were always making

Anyway, this one night we went out north of town. It was after sundown, but just good and dusky dark. Not pitch dark--although this event lasted until pitch dark. So we drove up and down roads, and that's when Mom got to where she hated dirt roads. So, we see this red glow through the trees . . . and we were fire bugs, my sisters and I. We thought everything was a fire, so we wanted to go see it. We drove on and on, and finally gave up; decided we weren't going to find it. We'd go down this road

We were very independent--very. Daddy didn't have any boys, so we learned to work on automobiles, and do all those weird little things that girls in the '20's didn't do. So, naturally, when my own kids came along, I figured they could live the way I di

John: When was your mother born?

Frances: 1896, I believe. Mother was quite reserved about things--very personal. She talked to me more than she did any of the sisters. Mom and I had . . . a weird relationship. I was a middle kid; had two older sisters and a younger one. And Mothe

My dad was part Irish, so he probably still thought that there were "Changelings." His parents came over from Ireland, but he was orphaned when he was eight years old. He lived with his aunt--his mother's sister. They originated in Protestant Ireland-

John: Did your mother ever tell you about any strange dreams?

Frances: No, as I said, Mother was rather reserved. Her life had been like so many of her era, you know . . . circumscribed. Her mother had died when she was very young. Mom was the next to the oldest child. Her brother was older than she--he was ab

John: Did your mom ever make any comment about the dirt road thing?

Frances: No--just that she wouldn't go down it, if it was a dirt road. She had other phobias, too. She wouldn't lock her house, and living in Houston, we all thought she'd get murdered in her sleep. But she didn't like closed-in places--had claustrop

John: Okay. So, what do you think of all this at this point?

Frances: Well, I think there is something happening to people. The way we tell it has a great deal to do with our perceptions, and our own mental approach to things. I'm more cut-and-dried. I under-describe things in "real life," compared to a lot of

If this is "get it off your chest" day . . . okay. My daughters have come here and said, "You're going to think I'm weird, but . . . " So, okay, you're going to think I'm weird, along with them and probably everyone else in the family. I've had two we

John: Okay. Tell us about them.

Frances: My youngest daughter (the author of this book) used to own horses. We had saddle horses, and she took them to shows. I pulled the horse-trailer. One night, there had been a rodeo in a neighboring town. There's a creek that crosses right in

And then, some years later, my youngest daughter and I were at a rodeo in that same town. We'd been there, I suppose, about thirty minutes. I say, "Oh, my God!", and she wants to know what's the matter with me. And I tell her I'm seeing someone being

So . . . yeah, we're weird. Maybe our minds can link in some strange fashion.

John: Okay. Tell us abut the time you and your other daughter were together, back in the late 1980's . . .

Frances: I have very strong conscious memory about parts of that, and other parts are confused. We were driving down the road into a curve, just prior to a straight stretch. There are trees on either side of the road, and from nowhere comes this white

Anyway, this thing is virtually nicking the tops of the trees, and we thought it was going to fall on top of us. There was no noise, we thought it was going to crash. I don't remember where she stopped, but I remember seeing it under the power lines.

The plane was white--bright white--and it really stood out to look at it. But there are some really clear facts, and other parts are very fuzzy. It's just like the incident that occurred to my other daughter and me (back in 1972.)

HYPNOSIS SESSION
September 6, 1992

John: (Hypnotic regression had been induced at this point, and the time- frame had been returned to the time of the incident.) . . . And as you're driving along, you can describe what you're noticing . .

Frances: The car was the blue one. It was bigger than the one she has now. I'm in the front seat. My daughter's driving. Her older son is behind me. I'm not sure if the other boy is behind my daughter. The weather is nice, and the windows are down

My daughter drove up into a driveway by a white house. She stopped, and then we looked. It seemed like it was under the power lines, but I don't know how it could have gotten there. My daughter leaned out one window to look, and I leaned out the other

John: Describe the thing as it's sitting under the lines.

Frances: It's shimmery . . . like heat waves . . . shimmery.

John: What's the next thing that happens?

Frances: She says, "Let's go to the airport."

John: When the thing went over, what was its flight pattern like?

Frances: Very smooth . . . Real quiet . . . like a kite floating. Very glider-like.

John: Are there any other people around?

Frances: Just me and my daughter. I don't see the kids right now. I'm not comfortable with not knowing where they are. But . . . I don't seem to . . . need to know . . . right then.

John: What did you do next?

Frances: The next thing I see is the airport. But I don't remember turning around. I can't get beyond that. I'm uncomfortable with that. It's . . . very blank! I have nothing in between seeing the thing on the ground, and then being at the airport.

John: All right. Since the airport is the next thing you remember, what do you recall about that? Frances: We got out of the car and went around the building to talk to the intendant. There were three men standing by a blue and white airplane. It was just a small, common airplane. The men were gassing it up. It's like the cowling and the fuselage

John: Do you have any other memory beyond that? Frances: Just going home, and telling my daughter's husband about it.

John: What time was it when you got home?

Frances: It was late afternoon, just before dark.
John: How much time had passed? Frances: Hm . . . I think about two hours.

John: Are there any other people around?

Frances: My daughter's older boy should have been there. I know I saw him once, but after the airplane, I don't know.

John: Wouldn't you be concerned about him?

Frances: I guess . . . on some level . . . I knew where he was.

John: What do you think that means?

Frances: Well . . . It's like I really was there for part of the ride, and not there for part of the ride. I think I must have been left behind. Most of it is . . . just blank. My sensation is that he wasn't in the car when we went under that stupid

John: (After assurances of well-being, the hypnotist tried to ease Mother into being able to look behind the block she had encountered.) . . . Everyone is quite safe; there's nothing to be concerned about . . . Can you go back in; take a quick peek at t

Frances: Uh, uh! I don't want to know what's there! I just blacked it all out. I put it in one of my little boxes that I put things in and shut doors on.

John: This one says, "Do not open"?

Frances: (Affirmative nod.)

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If you want to be a little more adventurous and perhaps use one of the dedicated IRC programs such as the excellent MIRC visit the below urls for advice:

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